This article was first published on August 6th, 2024. New information has been added.
It’s been nearly one year since The WinePress revealed shocking evidence that reproved and exposed the devious and dishonest acts of Geoffrey S. Grider (63) of what used to be one of the larger Christian prophecy news websites and podcast Now The End Begins. Grider also runs a Christian bookstore and a prison operation that provides King James Bibles to jails and correction facilities that request them. Grider also owns and operates secular marketing and media company Mudflower Media in Florida.
Since The WP published its scathing allegations against Mr. Grider – which detailed evidence of a double-life while professing to be a strong Christian leader and pastor, that included a long, documented life of sexual promiscuity, voyeurism, adultery, along with deep indebtedness, and shady and misleading fundraising and donation campaigns, (which more or less were affirmed in his response to my piece exposing him, where he acknowledged some of the deeds committed, but had no remorse for his actions and threatened to sue me) – a lot has changed and Grider, and a company of others, have attempted to give himself a facelift and move on after he lost a lot of viewership and monetary support.
If you are not familiar with Grider or what he has done, then I encourage you to please read my report that thoroughly details this man’s actions and issues with his ministry:
You can also read my follow-up response to his post addressing the allegations. SEE: Response: Geoffrey Grider Of Now The End Begins Threatens Litigation Against The WinePress, Shows No Remorse And Is Caught Lying Again
Furthermore, you can read about Grider’s attempts to garner more donations for a new bookstore location – an office that never materialized. SEE: Geoffrey Grider Of Now The End Begins Wants More Money To Build Bigger ‘Bookstore & Warehouse,’ Refuses To Address WinePress Allegations
However, new evidence and allegations which have been exclusively shared to The WinePress cast an even darker shadow against Grider, making his situation and secretive double-life even profoundly worse than what I had initially reported. Unfortunately, deep secrets that Mr. Grider would like to have hidden cannot be ignored any longer. Grider has a daughter, his firstborn, that he refuses to ever acknowledge and has totally neglected all attempts to try and form a relationship with. She has now decided to come forward and reveal herself to the world and shine a new light on just how poorly her father acts.
While at the same time Grider is attempting to repair his image by glossing over past allegations, a number of well-known Baptist preachers and evangelists are attempting to help in this masquerade; which poses a number of questions concerning their integrity, morals and convictions, and their responsibility both as men and as pastors.
Winds Of Change
Before getting into those details I need to cover what has happened since last year when I exposed NTEB.
After the article dropped, it was seen and shared by tens of thousands online, dispersed by other ministries and pastors who also sought to warn people about Geoffrey Grider, and that he should be marked and avoided. Grider took a very noticeable hit with viewership and interaction. Grider’s response to WinePress’ allegations ultimately helped in defeating himself, as most of his audience became exposed to the issues disclosed in that report; and when his audience – many of whom were quite liberal in their donations to him – started to ask questions and demand a better answer, Grider began to delete comments and block all users who dared to query him for answers. Now Grider only has a relatively small group of regulars who comment and participate in his livestreams.
Nevertheless, Grider appears to have tried to roll with the punches as best as one could when under heavy scrutiny. Mr. Grider still continues to publish sensationalist content and false prophecies on top of it. A prime example of this came on March 4th when he hyped-up the April 8th solar eclipse as being some kind of prophetic event; to the point where Grider was so desperate to make a spectacle out of it he either is just a lying soothsayer or completely incapable of doing basic arithmetic, or perhaps both.
Ordinarily I would not pay much attention to something like this, but seeing as it’s Day 1,449 of 15 Days To Flatten The Curve, perhaps we would do well to investigate. The first thing you need to understand from a biblical perspective is that we are still in the Church Age, we are not looking for signs, we walk by faith and not by sight as Paul tells us. That said, our dispensation is rapidly closing and the one coming in will absolutely be looking for signs, miracles and wonders that the Antichrist will be happy to provide for them.
Here’s a fun fact, numerically the date of 04.08.24 add up to…you guessed it…18, and 18 is made up of 6+6+6. What does that actually mean in the overall scheme of things? Let’s open up our King James Bibles and find out!
Grider said in the introduction to one of his podcasts
Exposing Now The End Begins’ Lie That Emmanuel Macron Is The Antichrist, And So Much More
In the wake of the fallout since my article, Grider then produced a commercial called “The ‘Beating Heart’ Of The NTEB Bookstore Is Our Free Bible Program,” which explained the operations of his bookstore in St. Augustine, Florida.
However, several months ago Grider moved out of the affluent area of St. Augustine and moved into a larger building in the town of Palatka that he says is cheaper overall. The announcement came shortly after Grider hosted his annual camp, preaching gathering and barbecue.
On May 26, 2024, Grider announced that “for the better part of a year, we have searched and searched for a new location for our Bookstore,” and eventually he was able to find one. Grider says it’s roughly an hour away from the original bookstore in St. Augustine.
Grider explained why he sought to move locations: “We were faced with the twin challenges of rising costs and not enough space, and that limited the number of books we could carry in our inventory. Saint Augustine has been my home since 2012, but rising costs have made it a tough town to do business in.” He added: ‘We have doubled our square footage, while at the same time lowering our monthly rent cost by over 30%, truly an answer to prayer!”
On July 1st, Grider announced the soft opening of the new bookstore, though the setup was not 100% completed yet. He stressed again (emphasis his): “The best part? It’s a lot cheaper than what we were paying, and we have 3 times the available space.” On the 6th he commemorated the first week of business and announced an official hard opening in September.
On July 26th, Grider provided an itinerary of events for this official grand opening that is set to take place from September 13th through the 15th. He described it as “our first-ever mini Camp Meeting” that will be dually “held at Bethany Baptist Church here in Saint Augustine, Florida,” and at the new bookstore in Palatka. Several notable Baptist pastors will also be there to celebrate – more on that later.
Another major change since The WP article from a year ago is Grider is now officially a pastor at an Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Grider in times past was a bit wishy-washy in referring to himself as a pastor – sometimes denying it, sometimes acknowledging the title.
Grider is now a pastor at Bethany Baptist Church at 5465 County Road 208 in St. Augustine. KJVChurches.com describes Grider as an the “interim pastor.” “Bethany Baptist Church believes the King James Bible and offers Traditional worship services,” the description of the church says.
Grider, who for the longest time sported long hair, to the chagrin of many in his circle, finally got a haircut and dresses in a formal suit and tie. Grider occasionally uploads his Sunday sermons to the NTEB YouTube page, where in some instances the pews have tended to look a bit empty.
“…Worse Than An Infidel”
In my initial exposé on Grider a year ago, I examined his testimony of salvation on his website and how he claims to know the Lord. In a December, 2018, post, Grider recounted that “In 1988, I was living the dream in Hollywood, California, and had broken into the acting business while working as a waiter,” he wrote. “I was getting larger and larger parts as I progressed in the business, and I was sensing that my ‘big break’ was right around the corner,” he added.
To make a long story short, Grider, who had a struggle with drinking and alcoholism, and was on a “spiritual quest” at the time after the sudden passing of his brother who died of AIDS, was invited to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting; and from there led him to further search the truth, in which he says he soon got saved not long after he began to read through an old Gideon’s King James Bible that was gifted to him. When he tracked down John 3:16, Grider read it aloud and claims,
[…] And like a bolt out of the blue, it nearly knocked me over. At long last, here it was…here He was. God! Yes, this was it. I was so overwhelmed I could hardly speak, tears flowed from my eyes, but this time tears of joy! I felt like someone had literally taken a key and unlocked me from the chains that had weighed me down all this time. Grider wrote, adding that he then got on his knees and prayed to the Lord for salvation, and that he would later go on to experience “true spiritual ecstasy.”
This, according to his words, happened in February, 1991. However, in a follow-up article about his testimony he said he “became born again on March 14, 1991.”
Grider never really discloses when and how he officially decided to ditch Hollywood, but Grider did mention in an article in 2016 on the death of one his mentors, Dr. Peter S. Ruckman, that it was sometime “back in the mid-90’s, when I was introduced to a brother by the name of Scott Lyman,” he wrote. “Scott attended a small Baptist church near where I lived, and he was excited to hand me a Bible teaching cassette tape from someone by the name of Peter Ruckman of Pensacola, Florida. That was my introduction to the ‘good doctor’ of scripture.” Grider would play piano at his church while Ruckman was still living and infrequently prior to his death.
However, and unfortunately there is critical information that Grider has failed to acknowledge in his testimony and even now. You see, as covered in the first report, Grider was married and had three children with that wife, and after he divorced her and eventually remarried with someone else last year, he inherited a couple of stepchildren as well.
But what Grider does not want to disclose is that he has another child that was born out of wedlock. To this very day, Grider has refused to acknowledge her existence publicly and has refused to treat her as his daughter.
In an exclusive statement to The WinePress, Grider’s firstborn daughter Kristie S. (34), has decided to come forward and expose her father’s neglect and blatant negligence to have a relationship with her, after years and years of attempting to do so and seeking prayer on his behalf for her troubles.
As explained in the video provided to The WP (see below), during Grider’s Hollywood days his brother introduced Geoffrey to Kristie’s mother and eventually she fell pregnant with Kristie. When it was learned that Kristie’s mother was with child, Grider advocated for her to get an abortion, but she declined. Thereafter he went back to his home roots in New Jersey where, apparently, his family encouraged him to have no relations with Kristie or her mother. Eventually she would get Grider on the hook to pay child support after a DNA test proved Kristie was indeed Geoffrey’s daughter.
“I am thirty-four-years-old and I still have never met this man,” Kristie remarked in her testimony. All attempts to communicate with Grider were on her end alone and never once did Geoffrey try to meet her personally, and when she would try to visit him directly he would always shut it down.
Kristie is estranged from her mother as well, but when she was still living under her roof Grider and Kristie’s mother would discuss the legalities and payment plans – while around the same time Grider would engage in sexting her, even though Kristie’s mother was already married at this point. In short, she describes her parents as “covert narcissists,” and expresses that she is embarrassed to be born of them.
I feel like if he were really as righteous and good and godly as a man he makes everyone else believe that he would have taken the time all these years, in 34 years, to make things right with me.
Kristie said
Grider has been very adamant in not letting the world know who she is, so much so that when she was desperate for prayers due to personal struggles, Grider would only acknowledge her as Kristie his “friend” and not his daughter on his podcast. Furthermore, in 2015 Kristie unfortunately suffered a miscarriage. When she sought condolences from him and prayer requests, Grider told her the baby died because she “didn’t love Jesus enough.” Kristie provided a handful of text messages between the two that confirmed that Grider would not allow his audience to know of her existence:
On top of this, Kristie also described in her video how she got to know Grider’s second daughter Kelsey (who Geoffrey says is his first daughter). Kelsey stayed to live with Kristie and her husband for a time, but ended horribly as Kelsey tried to seduce her husband, Kristie explained.
2023 is the last time, was the last time that I will ever speak to Geoffrey. I have been trying to have a relationship with this man since I was 15. Again, I am 34 now and we still have never met despite […] him saying he wants to meet me.
I believe that he has done an excellent job at trying to erase the past, trying to build a persona that you all accept and like and would pay money for. However, all of that is mainly built on lies, [and] once this video comes out he will immediately go into damage control, and try to tell you that either this is not true, I’m exaggerating, etc., because that’s what narcissists do.
[…] You’re dealing with a man who is fully aware of how incompetent and broken he is, but not determined enough to actually change it or face the things that he’s embarrassed about, or heal the relationships with real honesty, with real truth with humility – there’s none of that there.I firmly believe that he is just someone who is a false prophet using God to take your money; and he’ll just keep taking your money for as long as you’ll give it.
Kristie lamented
To hear more of Kristie’s thoughts on the matter, watch her full video statement below:
“A Companion Of Riotous Men”
Since The WinePress’ report a year ago exposing Grider’s actions, even though Grider lost a strong majority of his viewer and donor base, there have been a number of preachers and notable figures apart of the so-called Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) movement who are defending Grider – particularly among those who studied under or learned from materials by Dr. Peter S. Ruckman; who pastored Pensacola Bible Baptist Church before his death in 2016, and founded and taught at Pensacola Bible Institute (PBI), and founded the Bible Baptist Bookstore; where Grider gets a large majority of the books he resells.
It should be carefully noted that Geoffrey Grider nor those who are recommending Grider are by no means indicative of everyone who has studied Ruckman’s material and/or attended PBI. However, there appears to be a large concentration of men who are in this interconnected circle that are either directly or loosely affiliated with each other in some way or another, but nor is it necessarily an indictment on those who follow and fellowship with these people. UPDATE: I also want to express that with some of these individuals it is perhaps possible that they are unaware or informed to certain extents about Grider.
These individuals have given their open support and defense to Grider since my report was published last year.
On July 26th, Grider announced his “first-ever mini Camp Meeting to be held at Bethany Baptist Church” in St. Augustine on September 13th-15th, but the first and last nights are to be held at his bookstore in Palatka. The first list of individuals are those who are slated to participate in the festivities.
Pastor Joel Tillis
Grider said in his post: ‘Pastor Joel Tillis and his entire Soul Trap team from Suncoast Baptist Church [Palmetto, Florida], will be on hand to help us launch the grand opening of the NTEB Bible Believers Bookstore at its new home at 209N 4TH Street in Palatka. Bro. Tillis will also be on hand to sign copies of his book ‘The Little Big Church.”
Tillis, who also runs a secondary ministry called “The Soul Trap,” which is described as “a paranormal, para-political and end-times media outlet” started in 2014 – Grider and Tillis are close friends and have been guests on each other’s programs on a few occasions throughout the years.
As noted previously, when a number of Grider’s followers began to suspect there was a strong possibility that he was actively committing adultery before he married his new wife, Tillis mocked those who inquired if he knew about it. The pastor responded to one user on Facebook by posting a picture of the “loser’ handsignal, and then blocked the individual.
Grider has since appeared on The Soul Trap earlier this year.
Grider also noted that both Tillis [has] been “very supportive of the Bookstore since our “soft opening”, and you’ll very much enjoy spending time with them” (emphasis his).
Dr. Bill Grady
Lastly, in his post announcing the event in September, Grider confirmed that acclaimed author and preacher Dr. Bill Grady would also be present. He “will be at the Bookstore all day Saturday as well to join in the book signing!,” Grider wrote.
Grady was a keynote speaker at Grider’s camp meeting in 2023. He wrote in a Facebook post that he was not aware of Grider’s new marriage arrangement, but Grider assured him there was no fornication. Grady ultimately defended Grider’s actions. He wrote in his post: “Speaking tongue in cheek, while Bro. Grider’s ponytail could cause some “legalists” to question his veracity (dress standards being unfortunate weakness among Ruckmanites), I’ve had the privilege of prior interaction with his lovely fiancée, and, can vouch for her love for the Lord. (Translation: Geoffrey married up!) They will no doubt make a devoted team for the unique will of God for their lives.”
Pastor Roy Bell
Roy Bell of Old School Bible Baptist Ministries is another staunch supporter of NTEB. According to his website, “Brother Roy was the pastor of the Christian church at Nevada’s largest prison during his years of incarceration and now brings his no nonsense style of plain preaching to a wider congregation. Brother Roy’s message is simple: Jesus is real and The Bible is true, period. Brother Roy serves the Lord at Bible Baptist Church in Las Vegas, Nevada.”
One day after my article dropped rebuking Grider, Bell was a guest on Grider’s podcast to discuss his testimony and prison ministry. Bell often says in jest that he is just an “old jailbird from the slammer” in his videos and sermons.
In an interview with false prophet Robert Breaker – another graduate of PBI – Bell described his testimony and how he got into ministry. He recounted that he grew up in a Christless home and was basically an atheist, who was a “hardcore drug addict and, and a criminal,” Bell said. “And by the time I got around my 21st birthday, I was on the run from the law, had spent a bunch of time and [was in] reform school,” and got around bike gangs and Mexican drug dealers. Eventually one of those gang leaders received the Lord and preached to Bell and his crowd, which he says caused him to want salvation also. He would later attend and graduate from Hyles Anderson College (HAC) in Hammond, Indiana.
HAC has an unfortunate reputation for producing and covering up for blatant sexual misconduct, adultery and molestation, among other things, and has been thoroughly documented throughout the years by multiple eyewitness accounts, personal testimonies, and public reports documenting the coverups.
But, in his words, “Then some things happened. I got discouraged and I got my eyes off the Lord. […] I ran from God, and I went back to Las Vegas and God had a big fish prepared for me, actually a few of them, and they’re called state penitentiaries. [I] ended up spending 30 years of my life in state penitentiaries because I ran from God, and I didn’t want to do what God wanted me to do.” Bell said throughout these years he was convicted of “twelve felony convictions, multiple armed robberies, two habitual criminal enhancements, and two felony prison breaks.”
Eventually Bell would become chaplain assistant at High Desert State Prison in Las Vegas, serving out his life sentence. During his time in prison Bell was a pen-pal with Peter Ruckman. Then eventually in 2020 due to complications with Covid-19 in the state, Bell was granted lifetime parole on good behavior and is now preaching in many IFB churches.
Bell has since hasted to ingratiate himself with many in the Ruckman-IFB circles, including Grider. Bell was a keynote speaker earlier this year at Grider’s annual camp meeting that began on May 17th through the 19th, where he would be seen street preaching; which he and Grider claim that in the span of a little more than an hour they led seven people to salvation, and preached a sermon on the final day.
Unfortunately, Mr. Bell is fully aware of the issues surrounding Mr. Grider. A former follower of NTEB contacted Bell via his website and was asked if knew about the problems surrounding Geoffrey. In a screenshot provided to The WinePress, not only does Bell know about the allegations, he totally defends it.
I saw the Winepress hit piece on him. I also saw it’s hit piece on Dr. Ruckman, so you know how much credibility I give that rag. I always give the man of God the benefit of the doubt. Dr. Bill Grady addressed those things last year when he preached the camp meeting. I give Dr. Bill Grady, my personal friend, full credibility. People always slinging mud at me. Plenty to sling too! It will all get sorted out at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Thank-you for your concerns. Brother Roy. Phil. 1:6
Bell wrote in response to the question
Pastor Spencer Smith
UPDATE: In my initial report, I had written, or made it seem as if, Mr. Spencer Smith had given Grider his full support. Mr. Smith has responded to the article and provided The WinePress with this statement:
I am saddened to hear about the issues in the personal life bro Grider, and I am praying for him as he seeks to resolve these issues. I have read Now The End Begins articles many times, and even used them in my videos without any knowledge of any issues in his personal life.
Smith wrote in an email
Moreover, without getting into too many details, I spoke directly with Smith over the phone and cleared the air between ourselves. As noted in his statement, Smith says he was unaware of these issues concerning Grider, and that he did not see the email I sent to him a number of months ago earlier this year asking him if he would retract his support from Grider.
I have removed my previous remarks concerning Spencer’s perceived support for NTEB.
Now, The End Begins (Again)
Nearly one year ago I tried my very hardest to leave out personal bias and opinions against Grider and simply stick with the facts, and let people make their own judgment. This time, I will give my thoughts up front and “give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful” (1 Corinthians 7:25). However, l did note this much in my initial report:
Grider clearly has worked very hard to achieve and maintain this picturesque image of himself, that he is such a dear preacher and man of God that only wants to serve the Almighty; but it is beyond evident that Grider does not live and act like he would have you to believe.
His inability to change and genuinely repent of his deeds is truly saddening, and his willingness to cover it all up rather than just ‘fess up and forsake it says all that needs to be said, as both for a so-called “man of God” and just a man; never caring once about the people’s he’s hurt, the lives and marriages he’s ruined, the churches he’s divided, the people’s he’s lied to, the listeners he’s cheated their hard-earned money out of to fund his gross lifestyle and debts; all while smiling and proclaiming that he has these deep and profound conversations and relationship with the Lord, absolving himself of any wrong doing and taking any personal accountability. Instead of stopping and staying true to his word he chose to go headlong and pretend to be someone he’s not.
As I have said, Grider has clearly dedicated plenty of time and effort into whitewashing his persona and sponging the web of his deviant nature. But continued acts of mischief will only snowball until it cascades into an avalanche that you just can’t outrun. Grider has run well for some time, put you can only run before you get buried alive in the snow heap with no one there to dig you out.
Now, the evidence that besets us is even worse than before. Moreover, as I stated in my response to Grider’s threat of litigation against me, I plainly stated that it was very apparent that “Geoffrey Grider is a lying, neurotic, sycophantic, narcissistic, FOOL!”
1 Timothy 5:8 states: “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel (unbeliever).” Denying the existence of one’s child, especially for as long as Grider has, is simply disgusting and abhorrent, and boggles the mind how one such as a man who claims to be this righteous servant of Christ can be this cold-hearted towards his own flesh and blood. I fail to see how it is a problem for Grider to simply say on his podcast and articles, ‘Hi, this is my daughter. I committed fornication when I was lost and that lady fell pregnant, but I am thankful to God that he still brought my daughter into this world, and has mercifully allowed me to have a relationship with her,” – or something like that.
My point is, why in the world would one try to conceal this? It makes absolutely no sense. If Grider claims this was done when he was not a Christian, then what is the issue? But you see, this goes back to what I said in that Grider is indeed a lying, neurotic, sycophantic, narcissistic, fool. Grider is so desperate to maintain this fake persona, that he is this perfect godly man, and is supposed to represent what a strong juggernaut of a Christian he is the sight of man; to the point where he refuses to even acknowledge her existence, so he portrays this disingenuous figure he hides behind.
I will unequivocally state that Geoffrey Grider is not saved and never was. This new evidence completely destroys every ounce of his testimony and credibility that he thought he had. Based on the evidence we have – bearing everything in mind and how he has reacted to the allegations – I believe that Grider, all those years ago, had bills to pay and playing pastor was one of the ways out, hence why he shopped around for religion until he decided to play Christian. Grider’s Hollywood career was going nowhere fast, and making a fake profession of faith and ingratiating yourself into various Christian circles is not hard in the slightest, especially nowadays, and Grider over time made a name for himself. He could appear righteous and godly to the masses and his inner circle of preacher friends, while paying existing child support and other incurred fees, and make for himself a good, sustainable living by preaching from other men’s works and “playing the game.”
Philippians 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. [2] Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. [17] Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. [18] (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [18] Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
He, so it appears, in my opinion, that he had steep bills to pay, and pretending to be a loving, caring preacherman was the way he chose to do it; by getting in with the right crowd that all choose to coverup each other’s deviant and corrupt acts (just like what really happened in John 8:1-11), and learned all the right things to say and the little nuances that come with it to beguile the simpletons. But the sad part here is knowing that the likes of Grider are just a dime a dozen.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. [18] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. [16] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Furthermore, not only has Grider done these deeds, we now have a multitude of preachers who are openly condoning his wicked works or pretending that they don’t know about them, making the situation all the more worse; because now it is no longer an isolated issue, but one that causes people to further examine and question who knows about Grider but chooses to ignore it.
Let’s be clear: this is not a “Romans 7 issue,” with saved brethren struggling with “the law of sin which is in my members;” or the case of Galatians 6:1-10, which says, “Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.” This is not that type of scenario: we are WELL beyond that. There are very clear scriptures written by the apostle Paul that state the non-negotiable criteria for a man in the office of a bishop or elder (1 Timothy 3; Titus 1); and when blatant wickedness arises, the Bible commands that those people be kicked out of the fellowship (1 Corinthians 5:1-13).
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. [12] For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? [13] But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
And yet we have people who say they “always give the man of God the benefit of the doubt.” Really? So even when the “man of God” is clearly in the wrong, you still defend him? Or when these individuals talk about “accountability,” what does that really mean if they are not even willing to judge one of their own? As far as I am concerned, this is just a glorified good-fellows club. Of course, I’m sure some of these people will come forth and say something now, now that I have exposed this. And this is just another added reason why I cannot give a Ruckman a ‘rubber stamp’ recommendation anymore. Many of his students and the blatant coverups are just added proof as to why. SEE: Compromise And Condoning Sin – Why I No Longer Recommend Dr. Peter S. Ruckman
Galatians 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
I see three general options or a combination of them moving forward: 1) These Baptists defend him or play stupid and take the heat and brush it off. 2) They make fake public announcements, put him away privately, let the heat die down and try and ship him off elsewhere. 3) Grider actually does get the boot, and since he can’t pay the bills he’ll denounce the Ruckman and KJV-only position as a cult, and then snuggle up with the megachurches and NAR crowd, and make more money than he did before.
As for Grider, as I said, he is a fraud. Stop listening to him, stop supporting him, and mark and avoid him.
[7] Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? [8] Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? [9] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? [10] Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. (1 Corinthians 9:7-10).
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More of the applicable song lyrics from Papa Was A Rollin’ Stone by The Temptations:
Hey Momma
I heard Papa called himself a jack-of-all-trades
Tell me is that what sent Papa to an early grave
Folks say Papa would beg, borrow, steal
To pay his bills
Hey Momma
Folks say Papa never was much on thinking
Spent most of his time chasing women and drinking
Momma I’m depending on you to tell me the truth
Momma looked up with a tear in her eye and said, son
Papa was a rolling stone (well, well, well, well)
Wherever he laid his hat was his home
More song lyrics lol… “Son of a Preacher Man”:
Being good isn’t always easy
No matter how hard I try
When he started sweet-talkin’ to me
He’d come and tell me “Everything is alright”
He’d kiss and tell me “Everything is alright”
Can I get away again tonight?
Hi Doolittle!
That would be him, and any woman foolish enough to have anything to do with him.
He is a slick Snake Oil Salesman, he could sell someone their own valuables.
God Bless You Doolittle!
Hi Ron hope you see this, hoping its submarine Ron, I do miss our fellowship with you and the others that we had good fellowship,
Its sad that Geoff’s dirty laundry keeps coming out to haunt him and it should ,thankful God isn’t allowing him to hide, I do feel so bad for Kristi ,she needs much prayer ,only God knows if Geoff is of A reprobate mind, he will have no excuse as he speaks from Gods word ! Did you and others continue to have that chat site? If so I would love to be part of it. I should visit here more often, there’s so much to keep up with these dark days,I think of you and your family being in N.Y. praying Calab is. Well and doing good to!
Take care, Shirl from montana
Hi Shirley!
It is me, the sub man Ron from NTEB.
We had a chat site but too few were on it, we are however doing a zoom Bible study by Chuck Missler thru the Bible in 24 hours we are on hour 16 this Thursday. Yes Kristi needs prayers very much, and GSG even more so, but he seems to have a very scarred heart… he is unresponsive to anything Biblical, sad but true. Caleb is doing well and so is Nancy, we are going to be grandparents! Maybe we can exchange e-mails thru Paul who is doing the zoom sessions if you would like.
God Bless You Shirley!
Then there’s this song:
You’re No Good
Linda Ronstadt
Feeling better now that we’re through
Feeling better ’cause I’m over you
I learned my lesson, it left a scar
Now I see how you really are
You’re no good
You’re no good
You’re no good
Baby, you’re no good
On point!
Great song
Hi Born Again,
Those lyrics definitely fit GSG to a T. The sad thing is that it just shows there are an awful lot of folks like that, as time goes on and wickedness increases. Even though child sacrifice was happening even in the OT, it still boggles the mind how a parent could be so hateful and cruel to their own child. Lord come quickly!
Psalms 27:10 –
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.
This verse has been a great comfort to me over the years. Healing from parental narcissistic abuse isn’t easy, but thankfully the Lord is with us every step of the way. I look forward to the day we won’t recall any of these earthly sorrows anymore.
Amen Adam and Katey!
My mom was just like you speak, my step dad was physically abusive.
The past gives us wisdom by knowing what “not to do” as parents ourselves.
God Bless You Adam and Katey!
Geoffrey caught in another lie:
Hey all,
Have you read NTEB’s latest article? GG says there was a 5.5 earthquake in Israel and he lied about that because the earthquake was in Syria.
He wanted to sensationalize it because today is the 9th of Av.
A few people corrected him,
but of course he didn’t respond to them
and admit he made a mistake.
Up to his old tricks of click bait.
Par for ‘his’ course . . .
Hi Born Again!
If one cannot own up to their mistakes that are right in one’s face calling him out on them….. why would you anyone want to stay on a website with a HABITUAL UNREPENTANT LIAR?
God Bless You Born Again!
Jacob has the answer to that!
“Proverbs 17:4 A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue.
Liars love being lied to.”
They sure do!
Par for his course steering Zero Zero Zero.
Hi everyone,
I just got up to date on the most recent comments and some of them concerned the Cup of Porridge Ministry and Irad Birsch. I started to check out Irad Birsch’s website and his YouTube videos. Something ain’t kosher there. First of all, Irad seemed like Irene to me. Factoring in such things as different developmental growth trajectories including slower achievement of male maturity due to malnutrition still did not solve the issues presenting themselves for one running a Christian ministry. Hmm?
Hi Bee!
Brother Paul ( AKA Colonialman before on NTEB ) checked out the new website Geoffrey Grider set up for the Cup of Porridge program…. well it goes thru GG’s hands first. As paul used to deal with IRAD way back and he always called him dad or dada if i remember right. Well when Paul tried to contact Irad thru the website to warn him of GG…. GG must have intercepted his e-mail and then tried to play Irad, well Paul knows how Irad speaks, and he said in a reply to him…. nice try GG….. dead silence…
Sadly GG is siphoning off funds from Irad’s site, and likely not telling Irad the truth about what is coming in….. real slick and REALLY SICK.
God Bless You Bee!
Hi Ron,
I just had a Cameroonian missionary (friend) spend the weekend with my family. He told me that the term Papa or Dad used in Africa is like Sir for us, a term of respect. So, Irad respected Paul and used a term of endearment.
However, I wondered from day 1 when Irad discussed the “cup of porridge” ministry if it was legit. We as believers always want to bless people, even in distant places. It is wonderful when we can. However, you really need trusted sources to verify before contributing. Someone who you know as a mature Christian who has been to the foreign mission. You have to pray to God to give you wisdom.
My Cameroonian friend was the first person to warn me to be discerning concerning these matters. Furthermore, I was on two missions trips and saw things that I had to bring to the attention of the elders at my previous church.
We have to pray and use discernment in the same way as we did when examining NTEB or whether we should join a Church etc . Thanks for the background information Ron.
P.S. I remember seeing ColonialMan in the Chat Room at NTEB.
Hi Bee!
I am sorry for the late reply. Computer Problems.
Yes indeed my pastor supports missionaries big time and he vets them thoroughly before supporting them. Yes that sounds like a nice blessing on those from Cameroon! We have many visit our church.
God Bless You Bee!
Born Again,
Irad is another whole can of worms! There is no way to know how much GG gets for Irad’s ministry. This is SO wrong that he doesn’t have to report this money! I wish there were some way to find out how much actually went to Irad’s ministry. You have to donate to GG first. Someone mentioned if anyone were to go to jail it would be Lori and I tend to agree. Does someone know an IRS agent that we could talk to?
Also I saw where he says he’s donating his salary from the Bethany church of $800 per month. You know why I bet?? Because he may would have to report it on his income tax return!!!! I’m not sure how pastoral payments are reported but something is fishy about that too.
Hi Martha!
Contact the IRS offices in Florida… too much money flowing to keep being ignored.
Yes Paul AKA Colonialman saw GG got Irad to have a new site put up ( unless he scrapped Irad’s original while supplanting it with GG’s own ) now it goes thru GG.
Heck an international thing such as Irad could be a very serious crime, especially if Irad is receiving no funds at all.
God Bless You Martha!
It ALL reeks.
Just have to say A FOOL AND HIS MONEY will soon DEPART!
Wll be interesting to see how long all of this G can keep a secret from his flock
On the 24/7 NTEB chatroom board I just saw this below posted there, Wow!!
Guest Cephas
Exclusive: Geoffrey Grider Of Now The End Begins’ Illegitimate Daughter Speaks Out After Decades Of Neglect, As Pastors Run To Defend Him https://winepressnews.com/2024/08/07/exclusive-geoffrey-grider-of-now-the-end-begins-illegitimate-daughter-speaks-out-after-decades-of-neglect-as-pastors-run-to-defend-him/#comments
Hi Tim!
Sadly it will be deleted, but Kudos to Cephas posting it there.
God Bless You Tim!
Yes, definitely brother Ron! That I am sure of!
Ron, if enough people put the link to this article on the NTEB chat board, even if it gets deleted, some people will see it and maybe he will have to address it, or should I say “spin” it.
Yes he will for sure “spin” it
Yes, it’s already deleted
Ohh wow! Glad to hear that Cephas is no longer following NTEB and Grider! That good to hear! Probably will be deleting by GG, if it hasn’t already, though!
Hi J7, you probably won’t see this cause Winepress doesn’t send emails to the person, but I hope you do. I just wonder if he and Shannon are still tick as thieves cause she’s still all for GG on NTEB and still posting. David Brooks is his best buddy now, but I think it’s so David can have a place to post his videoe’s, so one hand shakes another.
Now I’m hearing it may not of been the same Cephas!
Perhaps Cephas will wake up . . .
That appears it could be the case!
Hi Born Again. I think Cephas is or was so enamored with Shannon that he couldn’t stop posting, but I think they now have one another’s personal emails, but I hope at least Cephas has come around to see what GG is all about. Shannon is still posting on NTEB. I don’t get why she is, but it’s her decision to back him or not.
https://mudflower.com/coming-metaverse-nfts-and-future-of-web-design/
Copy this link and scroll down to the very bottom to see GG giving his praise to the Meta Verse, yes the one that he warns everyone against.
“Great insight into the coming Metaverse, exciting to watch it all assemble itself.“
Wow. That snake Grider always changing his tune to fit his agenda.
G will be on his podcast live at 7PM eastern time if anyone wants to drop the link to this article, during his podcast.
Proverbs 16:18-19 KJV “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”
“Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.”
Proverbs 18:7-9 KJV “A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.”
“The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.”
“He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.”
From the NTEB live chat on “forgiveness”. Whoever posted the link to the winepress article wasn’t the old Cephas. Someone just using that name. Note that GG is all about forgiveness in his podcast tonight. Great! Forgiveness is a wonderful Bible doctrine. What about asking your daughter for forgiveness, what about all the people whose money you misused, how about a public apology from GG and Lori Ann for very publicly living in a shameful way and giving cause for the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme? Oh, and how about paying your taxes so as not to bring reproach on that name of the Lord?
Cephas
18:15I wipe the slate clean every dayand I harbor no bitterness
LolaW
18:16Cephas amen
Jkitty
18:16Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Cephas
18:16and I have peace unspeakable because I choose to forgive and put it all at Jesus’ feetthat’s HOW you do itLet go and LET GOD06:16PM
Lori Ann
18:17Very true, Cephas. Amen!
This is not about forgiveness, it’s about accountability. After 34 years, nothing said or done will repair the damage Kristie has endured. It will also be hollow. GSG is concerned about nothing but lucre, and maybe, his marriage. Even that is false. No relationship of any kind that is not built on 100% truth is doomed to fail.
Yes, Geoff and Lori think they can shove all their deceptions and deceitfulness under the blood of Christ and all will be forgiven, no true repentance needed! God will not be mocked.
Loretta, “God will not be mocked” came into my mind about an hour ago! I started to write about it and then got off track, so I deleted it. LOL
I think two people having the same thought is confirmation from the Holy Spirit.
I find it ironic how many articles GG posted, outing so many false preachers like Paula White and Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn, etc, yet his own love of money and schemes to get it puts him in the same category.
Denise C.,
I peruse the chat, but do NOT listen. I read in the chat where he ragged on Jack Hyles. I’d never heard of that man, so I researched him. Awful man. That then begged the question, why would Geoff bring up a man long ago deceased? PROJECTION! Geoff was ‘telling’ everyone ‘who’ he REALLY is! GSG is just as greedy, smarmy, devious, duplicitous, and evil.
RFJ,
I looked at those same comments about an hour ago, wondering if someone would post the link to this story. I was going to say that Cephas was still there, but I think you’re right that it’s not the same person.
I also noticed that the theme was about forgiveness and also thought it was deliberate.
Narcissists won’t ask for forgiveness because they never think they are wrong, but he’s hoping that people will forgive him anyway, not because he has a conscience but so the money can keep pouring in.
He preaches about how we are in the End Times but doesn’t see the need to repent before the Rapture? How well did it go for the lukewarm pastor in the Left Behind series?
BINGO!
Huh??? Two different Cephas’s you think?
Based on posts by Cephas in the past, he strikes me as someone who would post the link to this story, then deny it and claim it was an imposter.
Based on posts by Cephas in the past, he strikes me as someone who would post the link to this story, then deny it and claim it was an imposter.
Yep on Cephas possibly linking it then denying it. He was one of the most immature people I’ve ever seen on a message board. Ever.
The absolute most immature was Cephas. Such a crybaby too
RFJ, You are right on about the fact that GSG didn’t ask Kristie for forgiveness or he and Lori didn’t one time ask for forgiveness for shacking up in secret for 8 months. Or so many other things.
These poor suckers that stay in his chat room and gloat all over GSG and Lori are sad people. I, however, DO NOT feel sorry for them. They have chosen this cult. GSG absolutely is not qualified to be a Pastor. That Bethany church needs to know about all of this.
I think the biggest failure on GSG’s part is wanting to pretend Kristie doesn’t exist. Who on earth would do that to their child??? Like Jacob mentioned, he could just admit it was in his younger years that he had a child outside of marriage before he was saved but to go on and act like she doesn’t exist and not even wants to MEET her is UNFATHOMABLE!!!!
Kristie said he’d go into damage control. He’s “preaching” forgiveness. He’s wanting people to forgive him but he hasn’t asked for forgiveness, not once. Not even for Jacob’s other article. He lied and said Jacob was lying when he clearly had proof of everything. Cephas and all of them are falling over each other bragging about how forgiving they all are.
Let’s discuss who is qualified to call himself Pastor?
G is surely not qualified to call himself a pastor. Nor is he qualified to call himself a father. A conman , narcissistic loser her is
Very true Tim
Above comment ,, “he” not “her
I just sent an email to Ron, saying that today is one year since Jacob’s expose on Geoff Grider. I am still waiting for the financial accountability he promised me. LOL. But it’s not funny.
I told Ron that it grieves me that so many false preachers get away with fleecing the flock. My late mother-in-law used to watch all those TV preachers and send them money she couldn’t afford to give because they “NEEDED” a new Gulf Stream jet to get to the people, doncha know!
We were told that these days would be full of corruption and evil, and one need look no further than our own government. People are really suffering, financially and from health issues and no one cares…dare I say, not even Trump, but that’s another topic for another day. I told Ron that Ghislaine Maxwell went to prison for trafficking children and not one name on Epstein’s list has been revealed of the men who actually r*ped those poor children. It shakes my faith, for sure, but God has His own timing for when they will be judged for it. I just hate that people and children are suffering, and I question why God’s Guardian Angels aren’t protecting everyone.
So, in the big picture, GG is small potatoes, just one of a legion in the evil among us. Hard to believe that this present suffering is nothing compared to what is coming for unbelievers. I really, really, really think that the Rapture, our Blessed Hope, is close and I pray that GG and others see the writing on the wall.
Hi Denise!
GG may be small potatoes, but he doesn’t have that buffer of protection the TPTB have.
We in the Body of Christ have power in our Prayers before The Lord.
And if GG; let’s say he is saved; has broken fellowship with The Lord as observed by his UNREPENTANT ATTITUDE Towards all of us he has sinned against. Yes The Rapture is every very very close indeed, The Olympic Ceremonies are announcing the devil’s and his AC’s arrival. I doubt GG has done this AT ALL:
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? ( Reprobate does come to my mind )
God Bless You Denise
https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/nteb-radio-bible-study-biblical-forgiveness-for-the-born-again-christian/
I just glanced at the article and I just wanted to puke, Forgiveness follows repentance. But if one is not sorry at all they deserve no forgiveness ESPECIALLY being a Christian and only looking for Sympathy and continuing the very sins they never repented of. He has twisted this article to suit himself with no accountability, no culpability, no responsibility, no need to ask anyone for forgiveness. He wants to make himself look Christian while continuing in WOLF MODE.
Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
( people did that )
Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. ( we have had many many witnesses )
Matthew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
GG continues in UNREPENTANT SIN.
Even Christ Says we Christians are to ask Him for forgiveness to restore our Fellowship with Himself.
Forgiveness follows true Repentance and He has not acknowledged any sin AT ALL!
What a servant of hell!
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: [11] Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. [12] One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. [13] This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; [14] Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. [15] Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. [16] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Amen Jacob!
Reprobate describes him perfectly. Notice how he deflects onto to all of us the need to forgive him, but he NEVER ever sees that He needs to ask for forgiveness first.
Yes Blame us, but never take any blame, accountability, responsibility, for HIS OWN ACTIONS and even more so for HIS INACTION’S.
God Bless You Jacob!
Actually all you need to know about Geoffrey is that he is openly, and unrepentantly, adulterously remarried. This disqualifies him for any Christian leadership position. Period.
Quatermain, according to the Bible, you are right! However, he makes his own rules; all of them.
I remember you at NTEB.
Hi Tracy, yes i remember you too. Several folks here that used to post over there, I think. I was aware of some of Geoffrey’s “rules” but most interestingly I just posted a link to this website (not this article) to one of the readers over at the site and it was removed within a few hours. Good confirmation of the veracity of this article. Blessings! .
Hi Tracy, yes I remember you too. I think there are couple of us over here now. I was aware of some of these allegations against Geoffrey, but not all. Jacob has really shown the light on this. Blessings,
Hi Tracy!
I pray you are well!
Nice to see you post.
God Bless You Tracy!
Hi Allan
GG Conman’s scripture…. 1:1
Okay for me, but not for thee.
God Bless You Allan!
Hey Ron, thought that was you. Blessings.
Hi Allan!
I pray you are well! I am sorry for the late reply my computer went down and I needed a new motherboard, it was an original MB, I have had my PC with Windows 7 for almost 20 years, and The Good Lord Willing I will have it until I die or am raptured whatever comes first.
The time of our Sojourn is almost UP!
See you VERY VERY SOON!
God Bless You Allan!
2Co 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Geoffrey Grider has more love of Self and Money than anyone or anything, He does not care if he has harmed the Body of Christ; Christ’s Church. If GG even cared about The Lord Jesus Christ he would be sorely convicted and show Godly Sorrow. He truly Exhibits all the symptoms of Spiritual Leprosy…..A loss of feeling any morality due to his continued sinning, and it is against the very Brethren Geoffrey claims to be a part of.
testing . . . testing (new computer)
Hi Born Again!
Test! Test Sat!
God Bless You Born Again!
Now mine is Broke
The comment above regarding Cephas was from me (not anonymous)
It was posted under my name – don´t know why it came out that way.
That snake Grider closed out his 24/7 chatroom , it seems Real or fake Cephas posted some links yesterday, and today someone named Carol posted more links on there.
Is there anyone here with a Facebook account that can post it to the Bethany Church page?
I left the link one page back.
Hi Tim!
Good for them, as it exposes more and more unless they are watching it continually.
God Bless You Tim!
Whelp, it obviously seems that Mr Grider is panicked, and going into damage control mode, by shutting down, deleting,, blocking, and censoring his NTEB platform, once again! Doesn’t surprise me in the least!
Grider closed down his chat room after real or fake Cephas posted the links yesterday. He can’t have the truth coming out or his acting career is finished.
Too late! Horse is out of the barn (so to speak)
Hi Gary!
The very fact he does all this; shows us ALL where his true love lies, and it is not with God or those who he claims are his Brothers and Sisters.
No! It is his love of, and protecting of HIS DESIRE to obtain Mammon Money by any and all means, even at the expense of his Brothers and Sisters IF he is a child of God.
He doesn’t seek to please God, nor live by His words, no GSG seeks to DEFLECT onto all of us; WHAT HE HIMSELF IS GUILTY OF.
Typical Communistic Tactic, and people will fall for it.
One look at GSG’s checkbook ( not a doctored one either one that matches online checking statement ) would reveal where his priorities lie.
God Bless You Gary!
Is there anyone here with a Facebook account that can post it to the Bethany Church page?
I left the link one page back.
If GG was truly repentant, not only should he apologize to his audience, he should go to ALL-the churches that he has been in and ask for forgiveness and then he should step down, be in a local church and keep his mouth shut and learn humility by not drawing attention to himself. But alas, since I’ve known him from before, he will NEVER do this.
SB2,
Geoff won’t step down on his own – he’s prideful. Were GSG adhereing to Bible doctrine, he wouldn’t be involved in ministry at any level, as the Bible disqualifies him.
Geoff wants a congregation so he can ‘fish in his own pond’ – just like Jack Hyles!
Geoff, long long ago, should have been on his face with flowing tears, before the Lord.
Yeppers! When I dealt with him in the past, he was nothing but a control freak. He would get so mad if you questioned him and then turn around and try to whoo you again.
SB2, GSG has no shame – about anything.
Super insecure.
This conman is the at the highest level of Narcissism I have ever seen from anyone. He would even throw his wife under the bus if he had to and save himself
Don’t think he won’t! Lori Ann was warned and dismissed those warnings – to her own peril and that of her children.
GG doing an article on Forgiveness?
Only so as to try and convict others that they need to forgive.
Never mind this is an issue of lack of repentance on Geoffrey Grider’s behaviors
He expects all of us of whom he has sinned against to be guilty of unforgiveness.
No, it is he who is guilty of unrepentance.
Try doing an article on Repentance GSG, but likely you won’t because you are unrepentant and continue in the same sins CONVINCING YOURSELF THAT YOU OWE NO ONE AN APOLOGY
YOUR DAUGHTER KRISTI IS FULL PROOF OF THAT.
Don’t forget accountablility – he likely doesn’t fully grasp what that is, either.
God Bless You, Ron!
You too, Kristie – praying for you, Sweetheart
All true and saving repentance tends to holy practice. Jonathan Edwards
So GG say he needs $15K for radio broadcasting? Something smells here…..I looked up podcast and they say it ranges from $100 to $5k.
SB2, in the unsound minds of NTEB & CO (Geoff, Lori Ann, and Janette) the excess is for involuntary donations to their programs – don’t ‘cha know!
They do that with shipping too! Proverbs 11:1 is lost on NTEB & Co.
That, and unscheduled vacations when you’re in trouble with your new wife finding out publicly you’ve lied to her . . . but I digress . . .
Proverbs 11:1
“A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.”
King James Version (KJV)
SB2, What??? Radio broadcasting? Doesn’t he already do that? $15,000???
Born Again, please digress!!
OK, Inquiring Minds. You ready?
You, (Lori Ann Carrier Grider) is married to Geoffrey Scott Grider for 14 months (plus a few days) now. Two months into said union, she learns much ugly, untoward information and behavior. She thinks she married an upstanding person. She cries, and cries, and cries. GSG goes into damage control thinking everything has blown over, unaware ‘dinner’ isn’t fully cooked (so to speak). Fast forward one year. WHAT???? YOU NEVER TOLD ME ABOUT KRISTIE!!!
Much to Geoffrey’s chagrin, word gets out even though he plays whack-a-mole, zapping and banning as fast as he can while looking over his shoulder 24/7. Uh oh! The CHILDREN!!! (should have thought about them much earlier)
Geoff thinks – ‘I know! I’ll distract them by taking them on a nice vacation (courtesy of sucker NTEB supporters) while I think of how to spin a non-spin-able truth! (the ‘truth’ happens to be walking around in the flesh with the DNA of Geoffrey Scott Grider).
Meanwhile, Lori Ann, if she has two brain cells to rub together, will find a way to extricate herself.
Lori Ann does not have two brain cells to rub together…she probably has nothing to go back to, so she’s stuck. I remember Grider saying in a podcast that Lori had come from horrific circumstances, but he did not elaborate. Whether that’s true or not, who knows, but apparently she has found a cash cow in Grider through the unsuspecting suckers who donated and are still donating to his fake ministry, and she is all about helping him and keeping it going, so I don’t feel sorry for her one bit.
That’s what I think too, Loretta. And yes – she’s stuck. GSG ‘sniffed’ her out, ‘marked’ her, and reeled her in like a fish. He knew her situation well enough to assess her degree of vulnerability, spun a yarn, and she ‘bit’. Now, she AND her children are ‘paying’ for it. Lori Ann is really no different in the parent department than Geoff when it comes to shielding and protecting their offspring.
She was warned, and dismissed those warnings. It’s one thing to do so when it’s just you, but to drag two children into any bad decision is unconscionable. The ONY one I feel sorry for is Liam. He’s a 12 year old impressionable boy. Hayley is old enough to get another job, get OUT and get an apartment with friends. She may be in protective big sister mode though, and right now, is focusing on shielding Liam to the extent she can.
Conman has lost so much money I’m sure in the past year he has to lie more now for the funds. Only his die-hard worshippers will fall for that
TRUTH!
Amen Born Again!
Yeah, read one of his articles that said it cost him now $15K to do his radio program so therefore he needed more money…… and of course people are falling for that…. There’s a succor born every minute…
Hi SB2!
Is that daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly need for him?
Never mind I am sure he will try to convince them it is an hourly need.
!5k? Another call for money, if it is for the place he is renting, I say set it up at his home!
What a chronic liar and scammer.
When the NW(D)O happens all that money will be theirs not his.
God Bless You SB2!
Hi Ron,
I think it’s monthly. I’ll have to go back to read it.
Hi SB2!
Monthly for what?!, that cannot possibly be the cost for renting that building for his studio! Must be what he feels he should get for a wage for addressing people on his radio show.
He looks for every angle to fleece people and it must be why he moved his NEW bookstore about 39 miles to the east to 209 N. 4TH St. Palatka Florida 32177
His reputation in St. Augustine is well known as a sexual pervert
Sad very sad, one may flee from where they are well known, but eventually your Bad Reputation WILL always follow you.
God Bless You SB2!
Monthly just for the radio program.
You are absolutely right about him leaving ST Augustine. I think it was a combination of losing money at where he was at and people started to know him as a perv.
Did you hear him in one of his latest radio “sermons” about salvation? I can’t find it now. Wish I wrote it down and the time stamp.
He took it out of Acts only. Salvation is believe only and nothing else. No recognition of being a sinner! No repentance! No confession!
I was in shock that he wasn’t comparing scripture with scripture! It was “take a verse and take a fit”
James 2:19 the devils also believe…….so they can get saved? lol.
This is what happens when you start acting like a hyper and wrestle the scriptures to your own destruction!
Salvation is free. Accept Jesus Christ as your savior because you’re a SINNER, then Believe that He can save you, THEN CONFESS him and ask him to save you….ABC. THAT EASY.
I too can believe that Christ died on the cross. But no confession, no repentance that I’m an unrighteous sinner in need of a savor…..I’ll be lost like a golfball in high weeds…..
Well, actually, (and this is not in any way a defense of GG), but it IS faith alone that saves. Those other things are the results of the faith, but it’s FAITH alone in CHRIST alone for salvation, and nothing more. Just wanted to point that out. Love to all!
I concur! It’s so simple that “even a child can understand”.
Born Again,
What in the Geoffrey Scott Grider?? I thought I was ready but didn’t see that one coming! You would think that he would have told his own wife about Kristie! Even Kelsey knew about her.
Not only was dinner not fully cooked, but there’s probably a full blown salmonella poisoning outbreak.
The boy might hear about this from friends or school…I didn’t think about them because I assumed he would have told Lori Ann. It sounds like they do need a vacation on NTEB’s dime to do some explaining. Now my head is spinning! I don’t see how he keeps up with all of his lies!
Inquiring Minds,
Partners in crime. Liars gonna lie – relationship matters not. Additionally, it doesn’t really matter what GSG says at this point, because he’s dishonest. Never forget his trade – acting. All an actor is . . . is a professional liar. Heck, he advocated having his baby in utero torn limb from limb! He has murder in his heart. That begs the question – just how many babies met that fate by his insistence?
lol. You nailed it. GG is still silent on this problem. I guess if he think if he ignores it, it’ll go away. It will fester and blow up and I’m sure a bigger mess will rear its ugly head.
Born Again/Inquiring Minds,
I wouldn’t be surprised if Lori already knew about Kristie and he spun it some way to look like he WANTED to have a relationship with her but she and/or her mom were just so unreasonable. I mean, you try to get her to agree to an abortion, then you try to pay them off (though that money never came, only what he was forced to pay in child support), and he just can’t UNDERSTAND why Kristie is being so hateful now! He’s the VICTIM, you guys! (Sarcasm.)
Remember, Geri U warned Lori about all the other women, to which Lori said she thought he was talking to one of them on the phone once, and she married him anyway. If she can accept his philandering, what’s an extra kid? He welcomes her children of part of the package to give him a perceived legitimacy, while ignoring his firstborn. He gave Kelsey away at her wedding, but never even met Kristie, let alone her husband. Kristie was pleading, more than once, in those texts to mention her as a daughter like he did Kelsey. This isn’t sibling rivalry; this is deep, deep hurt, and then to think she opened her home to Kelsey, wanting SOME sense of family, only to have that one try to seduce her husband….
It is just so, so sad, and it’s all because Hollywood convinced GSG that he’s pretty and irresistible. He’s a player, he’s shallow, and his love of money has him MOCKING GOD to fleece naive believers. Only for a time, though…..
Yep, Denise – and, his ‘season’ is just about over.
Precious Kristie is WAY better off as far away as possible from that dysfunctional family. The only purpose they serve are as a shining example of how not to be.
If you noticed from her submitted texts, GSG blocked her when she reminded him that Kelsey’s child was his THIRD grandchild. He then accuses her of being ‘so mad’ when she was only emphasizing that Kelsey’s child was not the first grandchild. GSG is dismissive of anyone who reminds him of truth – be it his flesh and blood, people who understand and live like The Lord commands, etc. Doesn’t really matter what it is, if it’s the truth, it must be suppressed. If one can not be fully honest with themselves, they can’t be truthful with anyone.
To your statement about Lori Ann’s knowledge – if she had even seen one text, that would have fixed that. GSG is too secretive of a person for full disclosure – to anyone. He’s at least smart enough to know anyone with a modicum of sense will wholly reject him.
He’s so vain, he didn’t need any help, Denise. His arm must get tired of all his patting himself on the back and his mirrors are weary from reflection, as well.
Oh, the irony!
From GSG’s latest article:
“Have you ever been to buy a car, and the sales people push you so fast through the process you almost don’t know what you’re buying? That’s what they do when they’re offering you a deal that’s bad for you, but really good for them. That’s exactly why they do that.”
That’s EXACTLY what HE did to Lori Ann!
Have y’all noticed how SHORT all his articles are and how LONG all the ads and wanting money is? lol…..”show me the money”
He’s been phoning it in from the start. He hardly does any real research or journalism, he just parrots large conservative think tanks, and then upsells you on how great he is. It’s just another scam, but most people don’t have the discernment to realize they are being conned, and many others pay so they can be lied to.
Like GSG’s FIRST born child, daughter Kristie said, ‘he’s INCOMPETENT. He can’t do anything other than copy, as he is inept.
GSG is of his father the devil. And who else do we know that copies (counterfeit) and lies? Oh yeah! satan! THAT is who GSG parrots – HIS father, the devil.
Let’s all keep praying for the Lord to take this ministry down so more people don’t get deceived and conned. GSG has been very good at what he does, pulling the wool over people’s eyes, but the gig is up. Geoff Grider needs to get out there and get a real job and be a real man. He also needs prayer for true repentance. That is why we call out these people so hopefully they will see their shame and cry out to the Lord for forgiveness and do the right thing. GSG’s life is a complete mess, and he has hurt so many people and the Body of Christ.
The destruction to the spiritually lost and searching is the most destructive of all.
2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. [21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. [22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. [40] And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? [41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
People like GG know the truth, and yet has demonstrated that he does not believe any of it and is just a conman looking to exploit people. People like him are not going to repent, they are too heart-hardened to do that. People need to get hip to the idea that if you keep denying the truth of God’s word then eventually he gives people up.
Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
Romans 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? [4] Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? [5] But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Amen Jacob, it seems GSG has defiled and seared his conscience long ago.
FYI
Cephas
19:57I have an unspoken.. will y’all please just lift up a hand to the Lord for my request? Thank you
Cephas
19:57Thank you.. It’s for a girl named Kristie…
It looks like the Chat Room has been shut down on NTEB’s Sunday evening show about Christian persecution. Only Jkitty and Lori are writing on it for the moment. This happened after Cephas asked for prayer for an unspoken request. Then, he later said, the prayer was for the girl named Kristie. A simple prayer request. Why wouldn’t we pray for Kristie? The Chat Room opened again after a time.
Towards the end of his Sunday program, Geoff did what I knew he would do, i.e., claim he was being persecuted. Among other objections I have to that, I would firstly say that it is an insult to the Martrys that he referenced in his program,
Bee,
Geoff lacks the ability to differentiate between conviction and persecution. Since his heart is callused, he can’t feel conviction. Therefore, he cries ‘persecution’.
GSG also can’t differentiate between forgiveness and accountability.
Mr. Narcissist-In-Chief is always right – don’t ‘cha know! He always want to make everything ALL about him.
You hit that nail on the head!
Spiritual Leprosy.
As Leprosy is to ones nerve endings, so is sin to one’s morality.
GG has Spiritual Leprosy.
Correct!
Born Again,
Geoff claiming persecution is so very, very wrong on so many levels. Persecuted because he is being asked to be accountable for his actions? Persecuted by people trying to bring up the Bible’s standard for leadership? Persecuted by a daughter and his grandchildren who deserve better and just want to be loved? Or, is he the persecutor? Has he hurt other believers? Has he hurt his own family by his actions towards them? Step down from leadership. Geoff,
Bee,
For starters, he could use a good dictionary.
Without exclusion narcissists care not one whit about anyone other than themselves. Even incarceration doesn’t cure it. They victimize everyone in their path – for their own ends. Their unfortunate individuals are merely collateral damage – as far as they are concerned. Yet, they turn it around and claim to be a victim when in reality, whatever ‘hurts’ them are in fact, their own actions.
In his sinful way of looking at things Geoff probably thinks winepress, us and his daughter are all persecuting him. He is just some innocent man and he is just being persecuted because he is being used of God to reach people for God, teach the Bible, and send out free bibles.
I love the story in the Bible where King David just had Uriah killed and thinks himself okay until the prophet calls him out on it. The thing is King David gets it and repents. Geoff step down from leadership. Shame on the so-called preachers who help keep him in power!
ABSOLUTELY, Bee!
Poor, poor, pitiful Geoff. NO! What he is, is . . . steaming pile of dung.
Hi Bee!
Great minds in Christ think alike, I just e-mailed this to Born Again:
The devil protects his own… I am still troubled by the symbol of the reflected white house on his NTEB tracts…. as if he has been bought by the devil, Mirror images like that:
As Above, So Below.
Thinking on GG versus King David and his sins.
2 Samuel 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
The cost of those sins:
2 Samuel 12:10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
David Repented
2 Samuel 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
But the damage to The Lord by David had been done and he still had to pay the price.
The Damage:
2 Samuel 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
GSG is not concerned with any of that
Hi Bee
I can think of many Missionaries whom could use that 1.7 MILLION DOLLARS he has saved up for himself. Makes no sense to keep accumulating that money when it should go to God’s Work Missionaries come to mind, but not thru him, but those which are already established.
How big does GG’s Bible barn need to be for storing that which the manufacturers can send directly to missions fields?????
Here he is:
Luke 12:18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
Luke 12:19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
This is what will happen:
Luke 12:20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
God Bless You Bee!
I love those verses from second Samuel! It explains a lot of things doesn’t it. It gives us all direction to live by and it helps us with discernment. The Bible is so deep and true. Every day I am grateful for it.
And, yes, you are so right about the great need that missionaries have as they attempt to reach people with the gospel message. I have been blessed to know some truly dedicated and thoroughly mature Christian missionaries over the years. The difference they have made is powerful BUT, I truly wish the money raised by Geoff would go to them. One case in point. A friend of mine just traveled from Canada to a rural part of PA to get a good deal on school furniture that is now on its’ way to an Africa Christian School. He didn’t have all the funds he needed to buy the furniture but the school agreed to a lower price so they could sell all the furniture at once. He couldn’t afford to get it delivered to the place of departure but, two good Christian men agreed to drive it to Virginia for free. The story of this missionary is full of God’s Providential hand. Geoff may have the money but this Pastor had the Spirit of God on his side.
Edit: Unfortunate VICTIMS. Please pardon the error.
I understood what you meant.
Thank You.
Will be interesting to see how much more money he will ask for soon. He’s obviously in panic mode. Losing funds, etc.., as he is always coming up with new ways to swindle people. Of course 15,000 for whatever is was he asked for , next will be 50,000 for something else. On and on it will go finally until all his other followers will finally wake up.
Thomas – the problem though is . . . there will always be new suckers. GSG will no doubt suffer a setback. Some there since last year likely remain primarily for fellowship as they have expressed deep loneliness. Others refuse to admit they’ve been duped.
This time last year, NTEB had somewhere between 300 and 350 active chat board participants on most podcasts. After the expose’ of August 2023, it immediately fell to (on average) ~65 active chat board participants. Since the expose’ of August 2024, active chat board participants are between 12 and 22. Keep in mind, ‘active’ is the operative word.
Yes, he SHOULD be FINISHED. As much as we all want that to be so, God is the One Who decides. I pray that day comes soon.
Thomas, when the expose’ came out this time last year, sycophant moderator Janette (Jkitty) squealed, ‘we’re growing’! And, everyone could see that was not so.
Hi Thomas!
His waygiver fund started out at a request for just $25,000
Then it ballooned to 1,75 MILLION DOLLARS, and just recently Ballooned to a new Goal of 1.95 MILLION DOLLARS ( cars sales trick to keep away from the next highest number which in this case is a round 2 MILLION DOLLARS )
Look at the account here:
https://waygiver.com/campaigns/1486
it is currently at 1.7 MILLION DOLLARS.
what will that money really be used for????????????????????????
The new amount is over 2 mil now…..
You have to scroll way down the page to get past his snake oil sales.
Hilarious!
“I believe that he has done an excellent job at trying to erase the past, trying to build a persona that you all accept and like and would pay money for. However, all of that is mainly built on lies,” Grider’s daughter said.
I see. Jesus erased your past, present, and future, but you are looking at someone elses dirt? SHAME ON YOU. I am only here because your article somehow ended up in my inbox. And it reeks to high heaven of hypocrisy.
You’d forgive Judas if you could piggyback on his website.
It’s never been about forgiveness but accountability and character.
Piggyback?, so true.
Yeppers!
John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. [40] And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? [41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Amen Jacob!
God Bless You Jacob!
Oh, YOU’RE a LOSER Brooks! And a DIRT BAG like your hero Grider.
This is NOT about forgiveness – it’s about ACCOUNTABILITY!
GOOD GRIEF.
Amen Born Again!
Did King David get away with His 2 major sins? No he did not, and GG’s sins are ones that AFFECTED EVERYONE on NTEB, not to mention his con game of taking people’s money.
Yes God forgave King David because he repented, but there was still the cost for that sin!
This is what GG has done to God:
2 Samuel 12:14a Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme.
God Bless You Born Again!
David Brooks. Wow finally u show up , I saw your name so I actually thought u woke up from Griders wicked ways. I should have known better.
You’ve always needed to be recognized by Geoffrey and in desperate need of his attention. I believe things are going great for you know In Griders Gultch, because you can finally ( stand out ) now in the comments. ,, and promote your bible study on FB. Since it’s basically you and maybe 1 or 2 more people commenting there now.
Wake up David. And as someone else said above
YOU ARE A LOSER , and a little crybaby like Cephas
David,
You like to research and post videos, right? You might find it interesting that Good Child Missions just posted an article that NTEB just committed to a 3rd year of donating to the Cup of Porridge program. You can choose or not to do a deep dive on this site and it’s connection to NTEB (i.e. ,why are no other sponsors listed?) but ask yourself why Geoff didn’t post anything about it on NTEB. He posts about Bibles Behind Bars every few days but not hungry children? In fact, he hasn’t written about this ministry in a year…check the archives.
Published 7-25-24
https://goodchildmissions.com/porridge-third-year-nteb/
There are 5 articles on Good Child Ministries on NTEB, but only 1 would load:
Published 8-3-23
https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/now-the-end-begins-to-partner-with-good-child-missions-in-uganda-for-a-second-year-feeding-hungry-children-in-the-cup-of-porridge-program/
Hi Denise!
When I first wrote DB about the article on Winepress last year he said he was going to check it out, and he never ever wrote back to me, and neither will he to you.
He would rather be ignorant and blind and posting on NTEB. Notice DB’s is in his Sunday’s best as if somehow people should take note of that as a man of God.
He changes his avatar every time, NTEB 6 days ago it was different,
Irad’s ministry was hijacked by GG.
Upon another look at your post, it could be interpreted that you were lecturing Kristie, saying God erased her past, since she used ‘erased’ in the quote. I hope you were not blaming the victim.
If you meant Jacob or those who commented, it’s not about looking at someone’s “dirt” but from the viewpoint that a pastor must be above reproach.
Those of us who left or were forced to leave lost not only our money but the fellowship we had there.
You don’t seem to feel bad that so many who only asked questions were banned. How is that not a loud warning sign to you that something isn’t right over at NTEB?
How do you convince yourself that it’s because we’re unforgiving when we’ve repeatedly said it was about accountability and character? Does that make you feel like a superior Christian or a sycophant ?
Denise, Brooks is a die-hard sycophant. He’s also a narcissist.
Hi Born Again!
Brooks is as you say, just like GG, birds of a feather.
David.
The Lord severely rebuke you.
The only hypocrite on here is you, Does the changing your Avatar to a church dress up somehow make you more righteous? You love taking pics of yourself.
Never mind their dirt how about Christ’s Name being blasphemed by his bad behaviors in Public, I guess you are okay with that? You never looked into the issues at hand you only wanted to post your videos on NTEB, so others can see your face advertised.
SHAME ON YOU DAVID BROOKS.
Hey David Brooks, time to wake up buddy! Mr Grider is just like Trump! Making merchandise of everything! He’s gotta stamp or brand his NTEB on everything, KJV Bibles, Christian books, Chick Tracts, ect., seen the video evidence of that with his so-called Gutenberg press! Then pretend he’s giving people discounts through his bookstore website online, when he really profiting off those books, that you could get much cheaper than that at other legitimate Christian ministry online bookstores like Bible Baptist Bookstore, The KJV Bookstore, and The Berean Call website, just to name a few! He gets a lot of his KJV and Ruckman reference bibles dirt cheap, as well! That’s also been exposed! Not someone to be riding on his coattails! Stop being fooled, Dave! This guy is disqualified from being in the office of a pastor, doesn’t belong in the Pulpit as any kind of Bible teacher!
Matthew 21:12-13 KJV “And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,”
“And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.”
Luke 19:45-46 KJV “And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;”
“Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.”
John 2:13-16 KJV “And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,”
“And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:”
“And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;”
“And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.”
1 Timothy 3:1-7 KJV 3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Titus 1:5-9 KJV 5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
James 3:1 KJV “My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.”
Amen J7!
God Bless You J7!
God Bless you too brother Ron! Hope all is well with you, sister Nancy, and whole family!
What you say is true J7. I experienced it first hand when I went to buy a book from the NTEB bookstore called Ruckman’s Apocalypse. Grider had it for sale for $29.99, and I checked Bible Baptist Bookstore and they had it for $7.95! I thought it was very strange but now I know why. The verses you posted are very appropriate, but GG obviously does not think they apply to him. I pray more people wake up to the truth that GG is not the person who he portrays himself to be.
Loretta! $22.04 MORE than Bible Baptist Bookstore!?!?!?! WOWEE – talk about ROBBERY! WHOA. No way – no how!
I’ll say it again – Geoffrey Scott Grider has no shame!
What part of Proverbs 11:1 doesn’t he understand? (and it’s not the only applicable verse)
Proverbs 11:1
“A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.”
King James Version (KJV)
Hey sister Loretta! God Bless both you and brother Ken! Hope all is well with you two! Yes, I was actually replying to David Brooks, who finally appeared in the comments section here with a post! But unfortunately it just to defend and make excuses for GG and NTEB, as well as the usual omissions, and accusations of others just be judgmental and unchristian towards GG! Just took the opportunity to point out, basically what we already know here, nothing new, about how GG operations, and is all about money, ect., making merchandise and profits, by overselling online through his bookstore KJV Bibles, Ruckman Reference edition Bibles, Ruckman and Larkins Bible commentaries, Christian books, Chick Tracts, ect., while acting like he’s giving people a deal or sale price! And put up the names of a few other Christian ministries online bookstores and sites, to show by comparison, so people can go there and check it out for themselves! Then posted the scriptures that Grider breaks by his business practices, and why he’s not qualified to be in the office of Pastor/Teacher, ect! Sorry that my post got so long! Didn’t initially intend for it to get that long, but wanted to fit in all those scriptures, plus James 3:1 KJV at the end, cause it’s there for a reason, and I believe that very few are even truly called to be in the pulpit today as Pastor/Teachers! Definitely I sign of the times where in today with all the Apostasy, confusion, and total departure from sound doctrine!
I Don’t know about that future part, brother. Our sanctification is not yet complete. But what I do know is that Geoffrey is an unrepentant adulterer by his own admission. I cam to that conclusion over a year ago. A lot of the other things do fit.
Wow! Reading all these comments has convinced me you’ll are wicked. I pray that Jesus Christ convict your hearts because this is not a Christian environment.
you must be Geoff, Lori or Jeanette! go get a life, we all know who and what GSG is!
None of the above, but I am someone who was open minded to hearing both sides but the comments in this chat room was the most revealing.
Show yourself Cephas.
I know it’s you
Grider is obviously your savior and king and cult leader. Wake up. I pray God will give u the answer
My above comment is to Cephas, ( Freedom)
Anonymous,
So you’re ok with Geoff taking and publishing photos of a woman giving him oral sex, not providing a promised accounting of finances, and denying his own daughter all while being a leader and projecting a godly servant who has really repented and changed? I can see why such comments here would disturb your delusion.
It’s like when people are forced to apologize but they don’t really mean it… they just got caught. Open your eyes.
Hi Denise!
A seared convicted conscience on their part comes to mind.
God Bless You Denise!
2 Corinthians 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
Unlike you or Geoff and all those that defend him, true repentance causes righteous indignation and revenge among other characteristics. You’re upset about the comments over those who are indignant about being used and deceived, but you are not at all upset about what he has done and will continue to do? And then this megalomaniac then wants to preach about “forgiveness” and the “call to biblical Christianity?” The only thing revealed here is that you are just a Laodicean loser that the Lord Jesus Christ is going to spew you out of his mouth in the not-so distant future.
Hi Jacob!
It’s a case of defending a man over God’s Words, I have defended GG in times past until your revelation came out and The Holy Spirit convicted me when a Sister in Christ confronted me about that article. Then when my eyes were opened by your expose’ I saw him in the light of the fraud he was and still is.
People hate to think they have made a mistake, never trust ANY SPOON feeding. Be a Berean. Many things he said I questioned him and his responses were lame. You are so right Jacob!
God Bless You Jacob!
Open Minded is a liberal term for accepting wickedness, and is the most closed mind of all to God’s Truths.
Ron, that whole post was a drive-by…a quick dig at us and then we’ll never hear from him again…meant to chastise those with open eyes but not defend why he doesn’t agree…no defense for the indefensible. .. For Freedom to say he has an open mind who looks at both sides but has no pros and cons of both sides to offer tells me his mind is already made up. I doubt we’ll hear from David again either. Neither of them had any compassion for Kristie and what she has been going through her whole life. GG could have made it better but chose not to. He told us about the different religious denominations he tried and how he made personal mistakes but cried out to the Lord and has the audacity to tell her that she lost her baby because she didn’t love the Lord enough! THIS is who Freedom and David are defending, like “it’s all under the Blood; he can keep doing whatever and we won’t abandon him.” It’s a sick co-dependency: they need GG’s approval for some reason and he needs their money.
In the podcast comments Born Again and I saw, GG just brushes off the email as trash and no one even asked him why he rejected his daughter. His #1 priority in life should be to make amends with her, yet he won’t even address it until he’s forced to. He will spin it that she’s mentally ill or something, just wait. GG=MM, Master Manipulator.
And, as the Bible says – ‘narrow is the way’. Fits with being narrow-minded, does it not?
I believe “Freedom” , is Cephas
99% sure he is
Cary,
It might be one of those three, but I can think of another follower who idolizes Geoff and can’t admit that there is something wrong with this “ministry.” People who hold firmly to their beliefs, even with overwhelming evidence that those beliefs are wrong, have what’s called Cognitive Dissonance. We see it in politics every day, but so many who vote R or D are lost, so we can almost excuse them.
Those who blindly or naively follow a ministry without needing any accountability of the pastor have a form of religious pride, as if leaving the cult—and that’s what it is—would be akin to abandoning Jesus. No, Jesus wants us to have discernment. Even in his Chosen People, He said there were some who had the “appearance” of being His but were really of the “Synagogue of Satan.” How can any discerning Christian still follow the likes of a Rick Warren or a Joel Osteen? What kind of Christian donates to Jesse Duplantis and believes he NEEDS a $54 million jet because he said today, “Jesus wouldn’t be riding a donkey”? How does that sound reasonable to them?
Some people are so empty that they want to belong to a winning team, convinced that the person they follow is doing the work of the Lord—bibles for prisoners, anyone?
They believe that the end justifies the means. So what if someone is pocketing a large portion of the proceeds when they are doing so much GOOD with, well, some of it!
To admit that something is fishy in all of it would mean admitting they were wrong.
Well, guess what? I admit that I was wrong to follow NTEB for almost 8 years. I was wrong to give money to this ministry and to feel good about the sacrifices I made to do so. When Jacob’s first article came out, I was still leaning toward giving GG the benefit of the doubt, and we had a few pleasant exchanges because I was polite in asking reasonable questions, not denigrating him. I accepted his contrition for his personal sins and said that we all sin and would not want those sins displayed in front of everyone, but we are not a pastor in charge of a large ministry either. I suggested having a friend/elder to whom he could talk to and who could help him with personal accountability. If he sincerely repented, who was I to judge?
The money, however, was a different story. I said it was reasonable to ask for an accountability of the money taken in and wondered if there was a board or financial committee. Ministries should not have even the appearance of corruption, which is why most churches have a group of people counting the money, not just one person.
Well, most of you who were there know the rest of the story. I was promised a future article laying out the financial map, and it never came, and then I and many others were blocked and our posts removed. “Freedom” more than likely has been there long enough to have witnessed all that, plus those asking what happened to Ron et. al. I use Ron as an example of one who always really TALKED to the people in the forum and prayed for them and took HOURS and HOURS to write up a biblical perspective—much longer than, say, reposting a media article and adding a few comments on how it related to biblical prophesy. If RON got blocked, of all people, how can “Freedom” not think there is something seriously wrong with this picture? People moaned about Twitter shutting down free speech, but it’s ok for a Christian to block anyone who dared question his ministry?
This new revelation about Kristie shows that there are still secrets about GG, and he has not made things right in the 20 years she’s tried to even MEET him. That speaks of his character. If he doesn’t care about his own blood, what makes one think he cares about anyone else? How is this so hard for his followers to see?
Wake up, Freedom. You are not free at all.
GREAT POST, DENISE!
Thanks. David is thinking splinters and beams, but we have all admitted from the beginning that we are all sinners. I wrote that on NTEB a year ago and many times since. David and those who think we’re mean are missing the whole point
My sister owned a used car that kept breaking down soon after she bought it. I was even with her one of those times. The car lot told her it was a good car and took her money. Every time she had to take it back, they apologized and put what ended up being a temporary fix on it. Finally she told them she wanted her money back. It wasn’t the car problems that bugged her so much as the lies she was told.
Imagine if I told her she was mean and said the used car dealer made mistakes and owned up to them and she should keep giving them her money and trust them.
Denise, you are a very wise woman. It’s hard to admit when you’re wrong about something. I, too, gave much of my time and financial support to NTEB and I, too, wanted to give GG the benefit of the doubt but after I did my due diligence and read the facts I used my common sense and got out of there pronto. It is no fun being duped but it happens and we must stand up to it and call it out so others won’t continue to be deceived. If those that are given the facts decide to continue following and supporting him, well, I don’t know what to say about people like that. They apparently don’t care what he does as long as GG keeps spoon feeding them what they want to hear.
Loretta, you said it so much more succinctly than I did. I don’t mean to lecture but try to present a solid argument. Those defending GG are showing emotion and not logic. I get that we’re to forgive 7 x 70 but when it’s a pastor continuing to be dishonest, should they stay in ministry like the priests that just got moved around, or warn the new church? Heavy stuff but honest
Denise, it’s lost on GSG the biblical requirements to teach / pastor. Clearly, he thinks he’s exempt. He’s not.
Relative to the revelations in this article, it’s also patently clear the names of those brain washed by GSG, and can’t be reached. They’ve confirmed the side they are on, and, it’s truly pitiful to witness.
Hi Born Again!
He will get his due, even though David repented he had to pay the cost of his 2 sins,
Hosea 8:7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.
God Bless You Born Again!
Hi Loretta!
Spoon feeding hits the nail on the head….. as ones who never read God’s Words but fall on every word someone else tell them.
Never mind God calls ALL men liars, only God is true!
All liars will be in the Lake of fire…. it is the one sin every person is guilty of, unless their sins are hid in Christ thru believing in Him.
1 Corinthians 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
GG spoon feeds them and they fall on his every word and they do not read their Bibles consistently, nor do they:
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. ( Bereans )
God Bless You Loretta!
Hi Denise!
Any money collected in The Name of God is God’s money, and IS NOT GG’s slush Fund.
Hi Cary!
Notice when you addressed Freedom that you suddenly got an anonymous response from one called Anonymous. Cowards hide behind their other than the names they used at NTEB unless they be exposed. I just love the open mind, which i have learned after all these years is really a closed mind unreceptive to the Truth.
They may as well, and likely are saying: I heard GG’s side of it and read Jacob’s
article that is akin to listening to the devil as if he would tell one the truth. A conman is practiced in conning others and those who are blind say we see, just like The Pharisees did. A wise man will search out a thing, yet this person denies Kristi’s history with GG, and they are listening to ( GG’s ) HIS STORY, not one bit Kristi’s.
Sounds just like someone else who said to me “I will get to the bottom of it” they never did except to get with GG at the bottom!
God Bless You Cary!
God Bless You Cary.
Stupid laptop!
Sorry to hear that you’re still having problems with it, brother Ron!
Dear Mr.or Mrs. Freedom to do whatever you want,
I am sorry that you feel that way because the Bible does not uphold your POV. The Bible is a story of godly standards. We are all certainly sinners but we are entreated throughout the Bible to “Be ye Holy.” Even as we fall we are supposed to be humble and admit to our sin, repent and turn away from those sins.
Many leaders lost their roles due to sin. I could mention Moses and how he was not able to enter the land that God had given because of striking the rock twice. We can see that King Saul did ungodly things such as consulting a psychic for advice and offering a burnt sacrifice. Samuel prophesised for this that his anointing would be removed. King David on the other hand through his genuine repentance was punished for his sin but he retained leadership.
Understand that their is a principle biblically speaking called righteous indignation and that those who know right from wrong because of God’s mercy of showing us what that is, do grieve when a bad leader is in power. Many here know that just like with King Saul, that we do not know when God’s answer for Geoff will come. They also know that God won’t be mocked, as was the case with King Saul.
Finally, if Geoff did a King David last year and humbly received correction and accepted responsibility for his actions with a humble and contrite heart things would have had a much different outcome. What if he worked on his relationship with his daughter with help from the church? What of asking a sister in Christ to house Lori because she was in a bind? Any or all of these actions would have shown that he was using the biblically mandate to be above reproach and to not give the impression of doing wrong. I pray that you consider these points and go to the Bible to study these above examples.
Hi Bee!
Well said! God is slow to anger, but as with any person; there is a time when God’s patience runs out. God Hold’s His Son’s Name HIGH! It is to be exalted!
Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Yet GG Blasphemes The Name of Christ under foot in support of his sins; perversions, and especially covetousness. Like the rich young ruler, notice when Christ asked him to obey the commandments notice which one Christ did not ask him: Thou shalt not Covet. But When asked to depart with his wealth he showed which commandment it was he had not kept: thou shalt not COVET.
People always want to condemn others without supporting scriptures, or twisting them to fit their agendas.
2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Those likely defending him are guilty of those same sins themselves.
1 Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
That is GG.
God Bless You Bee!
Ron, my thoughts exactly. They see Geoff’s pet sins, count it as ‘o.k.’ as they then feel it’s o.k. for them too. Rather than rebuke, repent, and turn away from those same sins, they remain because they seek affirmation rather than listen to that still small voice telling them to turn away.
Amen Born Again!
Convicted seared consciences.
God Bless You Born Again!
Hi Born Again!
Also this fits those you speak of:
Jesus Rebuked the Pharisees, then the Lawyers chimed in with:
Luke 11:45 Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also.
God Bless You Born Again!
Thanks for your kind words and fellowship.
Really? What do you know about any of us?
Since you obviously do not know the facts, nor what God requires in His Word.
This is for you:
Proverbs 17:15 He that JUSTIFIETH the WICKED,
and he that CONDEMNETH the JUST,
even they both are abomination to the LORD.
I know most of these people, not all and they are Good Christians who are not doing as Geoffrey Grider is, and continues to do.
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Romans 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Hi Ron. I am almost certain that “freedom “ person above is Cephas.
Always good to hear from you Ron.
Hi Thomas!
That may be, I am not one to know all (or should I say remember at my age LOL!)
these particular people’s writing styles. I like how some will change their avatar names here so as to not identify who they really are.
Glad you likely know such, to make up for my being Senile LOL!
Remember those old children’s books way back?
See Jane, see Jane Run… I think they wrote one about me.
See Nile, See Nile Run…. Senile Ron!
God Bless You Thomas!
Hi Thomas!
That may be, I am not one to know all (or should I say remember at my age LOL!)
these particular people’s writing styles. I like how some will change their avatar names here so as to not identify who they really are.
Glad you likely know such, to make up for my being Senile LOL!
Remember those old children’s books way back?
See Jane, see Jane Run… I think they wrote one about me.
See Nile, See Nile Run…. Senile Ron! 2
God Bless You Thomas!
See Nile Run – LOL
You’re not senile, Ron
Hi Born Again!
We have to laugh at ourselves or we would go crazy in this now very insane world! You are right, I am not forgetful either….
it is ALL in the
Recall, as mine hardly recalls at all. LOL!
Sorry for the second post as it did not show the first posting.
Hmmm…. Not sure, maybe maybe not, brother Thomas…. dunno that it’s Cephas! Could be anyone!
Hi Freedom.
Then what does that make you?
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
GG is not “The just”
Freedom.
Wow yourself try reflecting on yourself instead of deflecting onto others.
Isn’t it amazing you cannot see what is before your very eyes, you say: I see, and your own sin remains because you are either unable or unwilling to see it.
I was on NTEB many years and have seen your type many times over and over again on there.
I should add that when Ron had questions, GG said that Ron was being led by Satan. That’s what cult leaders do…no one may question the leader, so the leader spins it so that the one questioning is in the wrong. Throw in a little disbelief that anyone could question the leader, who is “doing God’s work” and the flock nods their heads in agreement. How dare one go against the cult! Religious pride not based on what the Bible says about leaders.
Again, how can some just not see this?
Hi Denise!
I always tried to walk in grace and be kind to all on NTEB. I would stand against false doctrines especially those who besmirched and lied about our Blessed Hope, I exposed them for what they were; unbiblical liars, and much like GG himself when shown The Truth from God’s Word’s continued in their falsehoods, and have no doctrine to justify their stances. One thing on The PTR and all who oppose it… this I have noticed…. Not one of them who stand against the PTR have or use the same Scriptures to support their claims. I do thank them for it, for the more no sense nonsense they posted the more Scriptures I found that support The PTR.
I find it disturbing that many who oppose our Blessed Hope cannot see The Truth about The PTR when presented with The Scriptures proving it.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Sadly it will take our Rapture to wake up those who thought they were saved and were not, many will become Martyrs.
As far as myself goes; like Paul I am the chiefest of sinners and can admit such, my mind is my battleground. I am so glad only God can read our thoughts, otherwise there would be no peace for any of us.
GEOFFREY SCOTT GRIDER HAS MASTERED THE Karl Marx doctrine:
Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it to create confusion.” – Karl Marx.
God Bless You Denise!
Ron, you were always my favorite at NTEB, and I hate how GG treated you and many others, banning those who were supportive of him until his dirty deeds became known. It’s disgraceful and disgusting.
Hi Loretta!
I appreciate that encouragement, as I have found the road of the prophets, not that I am one by any means, but that their messages made them unpopular, as has it done for all of us, and outcasts. We are getting a mild taste of what Christ experienced in delivering an unpopular message exposing the truth of the matter.
Where as we defend God’s Words, and do not turn a blind eye to a person’s improprieties when they are unrepentant, and only looking for sympathetic forgiveness so as to continue in their sins.
All of you ladies that were on NTEB were always Gentle and kind to me, Tell Ken hi for me.
God Bless You and Ken Loretta!
I sure will, Ron!
They’re blind.
Amen Born Again!
John 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
John 9:41 Jesus said unto them,
If ye were blind,
ye should have no sin:
but now ye say,
We see;
therefore your sin remaineth.
deflection not reflection.
God Bless You Born Again!
Well I went to Waygiver GG’s Fraud Fund and saw that out the last 30 Donors ( sadly conned ) only 8 are not anonymous. And guess who donated under their own Name Lori Ann Grider $100 that gives it credibility right, never mind GG wouldn’t have his name there why? Because it would seem to phony with all that is now exposed…. Yet 22 donors donating mostly $100 and plus Damage control to make it look like he is getting more donations.
https://waygiver.com/campaigns/1486
I have to laugh when GG or LoriAnn “donates”. The money funnels right back into an account of over which he has sole and total control. Anyone who has ever asked (and several have said this) that when they ask about giving money for specifically for Bibles they were told “It all goes into one account I make sure it goes to the right place.” Not much of a “donation” when it goes back to your household.
RFJ, Yes , correct, says Geoff,
‘It all goes into one account I make sure it goes to the right place’,
Of course the money all goes to the right place, his wallet and bank account.
Just like our congress.
Funnels the money right into his Mammon altar.
ntebme
13:28Anyone who gets those trash emails just delete them AND block the person who sent it to you….thanks!blocking is key
GSG is basically calling Kristie ‘trash’
Born Again,
Was this in the podcast? I’m assuming David let him know that someone sent the article in his email, so this was GG’s response? I hope it has the “Streisand Effect,” meaning when someone tries to scoff at something it makes it all the more appealing for people to research it. Then it will go from being “trash” to an article spinning HIS version of events. More predictable than the weather.
I found it. Very interesting that “Irad” happened to comment in the podcast about the Cup of Porridge program, just a little after I posted here about it. Why mention it today when the article was written July 25th? You-know-who is reading our comments.
Irad Birsh
13:21Meanwhile, I wish to appreciate you all for your continuous generosity towards our CUP OF PORRIDGE PROGRAM, I ask to remind us that the second year of feeding ended with the previous July, it’s now week three since the children took their nourishment, I ask you all family to consider supporting our third Year of feeding these little ones. To The Fight!!
You know he is! GSG is paranoid on steroids!
Exactly Born Again!
Hi Denise!
Brother Paul got to know Irad personally back when he needed a well dug. He required Irad to provide him with both receipts and pictures of works progression.
If what you posted is what Irad is supposed to have said, Paul will tell you flat out his English is NOTHING LIKE WHAT You Just Posted. To The Fight! Is a GG Phrase what so that gives his speaker credibility. For GG to take over Irad’s Web page means all funds are funneled thru GG as well as trying to contact Irad.
Skimming comes to mind; the money meant for food to feed children.
Sure it looks all good for window shopping, but that isn’t what is happening.
God Bless You Denise!
Ron,
Did Paul ever get receipts / photos?
Ron, several talked about Irad’s website (goodchildmissions.com) in the article about GG last Aug. and remarked that it was just like NTEB. GG does web design, so it would be reasonable to assume he created Irad’s website, and the fact that they are so similar is not a big deal. Lots of websites use a common template or format.
However, the articles are ALL about how great NTEB and the people are (GG is the greatest!) and has links to NTEB. Someone said that Irad has a car painted with the NTEB logo and other stuff. NO OTHER PARTNERS ARE MENTIONED ANYWHERE! Is NTEB the only ministry that helps feed these children? If Irad’s site gives so much attention to NTEB, you’d think that NTEB would return the favor mention them from time to time and ask the followers of NTEB to donate. There are 5 articles in NTEB’s archives about the Cup of Porridge program, and the last one was last August! He talks about Bibles Behind Bars every few days, but not these hungry kids? THEN two hours after I share this, “Irad” thanks NTEB in the chatroom for partnering for a 3rd year. Not suspicious at all./s
(Sorry to repeat what I’ve already posted, but some may not have seen the info with so many comments here.)
What stuck out to several of us is the writing is the same as NTEB, word-for-word, including GG’s catch-phrase, “To the fight!” (He even said it back to “Irad” in the chatroom yesterday.” Irad’s thank you at the bottom may be from him, but the rest is all GG.
“But whatever you do, don’t do nothing. Time is short and we need your help right now. The Lord has given us an open door with a tremendous ‘course’ for us to fulfill that will create an excellent experience at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Please pray for our efforts, and if the Lord leads you to donate, be as generous as possible. The war is REAL, the harvest is MUCH, the battle HOT and the time is SHORT…TO THE FIGHT!!!
“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13 (KJB)
“Thank you very much!” – Irad, editor-in-chief, GCM”
Ron,
I just sent you a long reply and it didn’t post. Waiting to see if it eventually does.
It posted, so now I will share what’s at the end of NTEB articles…notice that only the signature is different. Just helping Irad out by giving him the exact copy of his words to encourage giving, or something else?
“But whatever you do, don’t do nothing. Time is short and we need your help right now. The Lord has given us an open door with a tremendous ‘course’ for us to fulfill that will create an excellent experience at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Please pray for our efforts, and if the Lord leads you to donate, be as generous as possible. The war is REAL, the battle HOT and the time is SHORT…TO THE FIGHT!!!
“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13 (KJB)
“Thank you very much!” – Geoffrey, editor-in-chief, NTEB”
This latest article has done me in with NTEB and all of it. I’ve been supporting 3 children through the cup of porridge program for over a year and I pray that the money is going to them. I’ve received a few pictures from time to time but I hate to NOT support those kids if they are getting school supplies and food etc.
Denise, yes. Geoffrey Scott Grider has lived his entire adult life in denial of the truth. The mass e-mail that went out last year, he called ‘junk’. This time, it’s ‘trash’. Neither are true. Both articles were well documented and wholly factual.
It’s as the remaining (who are sycophants) saying . . . ‘lie to me, lie to me – please lie to me’! What a horrid way to live. They could witness with their own eyes the deviance of GSG and still dismiss the truth. Lori Ann assuredly, already has.
A cursory search on ‘Geoffrey Scott Grider’ will yield this article, as well as troves of other information. Anyone who ignores it, is basically a low IQ individual. Geoffrey Scott Grider is STILL trying to abort his firstborn, Kristie, by using the the term ‘trash’, today. It’s really not much of a surprise.
Kristie, if you’re reading comments – listen, sweetheart, we all love you and keep you lifted up in prayer. God had a reason for your birth and your sperm donor is not worthy of being in ANY part of your life. Cling to Jesus Christ, and should you have any emotion for your sperm donor, let it be no more than pity. God Bless You, Kristie!
Born Again,
I found the comments and want to say that it wasn’t David who asked about the emails. It was GuestRapture57, so I wanted to make the correction. You were there first, so you knew that, but I wanted to inform others.
A few people said they got the email from someone named, “Light.” They blocked the person and said the article was trashing Geoff and one couldn’t understand how Christians could be so mean. ALL Kristie wanted was for him to acknowledge her as his daughter, and we’re the mean ones!
Hi Denise!
Sadly they would rather deflect an issue onto others rather than reflect on themselves, and be a doer of The Word, they are forgetful hearers and readers of God’s Words.
James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
When Saul sinned Samuel stated:
1 Samuel 15:23a For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
GG rebels against God’s Words and puts on a feigned display of piety at NTEB, while being stubborn against God’s Words in what many of the church have said to him.
God Bless You Denise!
Of course that would be his approach as the few fish he has left on NTEB he wants to make sure they do not get any updates on his goings on.
What a fake fraud he truly is, then he tries to speak of Christ’s BEMA Seat once again on said article. Yes his comments are truly telling of who he is:
Matthew 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother,
It is a gift,
by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Christ is only his Prophet for profit.
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Anonymous
Indeed GG will for his lies, deceptions and thefts of our funds. We are all well versed in that Scripture, GG really needs to see it on NTEB, or are you afraid you will be blocked?
Already blocked, LOL
Hi Anon!
I was the first to get blocked when Jacob’s first article came out.
An honest man has nothing to hide, especially if they are right with God.
But con men have everything to hide so the con show can go on.
God Bless You Anon!
Does anyone know if Grider is still monitoring every single comment that goes onto his website.?
I haven’t checked for about a year now, and don’t plan to.
He, and/or Janette and Lori Ann. It’s necessary so that his cover isn’t blown. We all know it’s a facade.
Hi Tim!
Con men need to hide their side that was hidden from the public eye; lest they be exposed, along with their con.
Just in case you need a reminder of how vile NTEB is,
50. Cephas…. I have an unspoken.. will y’all please just lift up a hand to the Lord for my request? Thank you
Cephas had ‘her name is Kristie’ in his request and THEY REMOVED HER NAME!!!
Ice Cold. No other explanation.
Geoffrey Scott Grider still refuses to acknowledge the existence of his biological first born child, Kristie, as well as her children.
Geoffrey Scott Grider refused to allow her name to be on NTEB prayer list, when specifically named by Cephas.
Geoffrey Scott Grider has had decades since he professed salvation, yet never made things right by Kristie when he could have done so when she was a baby and could have lived without the active, perpetual pain inflicted on her, by him.
In no way can anyone say Geoffrey Scott Grider has exhibited Christ-like behavior toward her – as well as many others, like prior wife Leslie. The list is endless, actually.
Geoffrey Scott Grider wants to continue to live publicly as he has his entire life with that of a carefully crafted persona that in reality is wholly artificial.
Geoffrey Scott Grider has no shame.
LIke the article on Forgiveness, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that this is is on his FB:
Now The End Begins Ministries
The Bible mentions talebearers – people who tell gossip and lies and people who repeat gossip and lies – in the same context as a fool. Don’t be a fool, talebearing is of the Devi
“Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.” Proverbs 26:20 (KJB)
He is calling Kristie a liar. He already called the article about her “trash.”
Does he think a few cherry-picked verses will put the horse back in the barn?
Will his followers finally think there might be something there?
Will they wonder why he dismisses the story as lies and doesn’t give “his side” of it?
He could “set the record straight,” and I’m actually surprised he didn’t try to spin it already.
I’m not hopeful that they will.
You’d think they’d question the “coincidence” that TWO HOURS after I mentioned it here that Good Child Missions thanked NTEB for their 3rd year of supporting the Cup of Porridge program and nothing had been written about it on NTEB, “Irad” happened to bring it up in the afternoon podcast. Imagine that! I mean, GCM wrote about it on 7/25, yet there has been no mention of it on NTEB in the 26 days since. You’d think he would have drummed up some support for the hungry children every once in a while. He wrote about the 2nd year in Aug/2023…so a year ago. Why doesn’t he write about this ministry more?
What I do know is that no one would go through the trauma of going public with her story if it weren’t true. This is blaming the victim. I pray that the liar calling her a liar will be the least of the backlash she gets for coming forward. That took a lot of courage.
So, is David going to come back and defend the indefensible? Mr. “Freedom”?
Anyone? Bueller?
That’s hilarious. That’s what Roy Bell said in his response video to me.
Censorship ( banned from NTEB ) is the tool used when a lie loses it’s power
Hi Ron, Roy Bell responded. It’s a doozy.
https://winepressnews.com/2024/08/20/response-roy-bell-gives-embarrassing-rebuttal-to-winepress-reports-on-geoffrey-grider-of-now-the-end-begins-challenges-me-to-boxing-match/
Jacob, thanks for updating us on Roy Bell. Another charlatan, apparently, who cherry-picks verses and ignores authentic ones from you. They do stick together. It’s like politicians who all have dirt on each other…mutual assured destruction….so they fight together against the people who dare question them. The love of money truly is the root of all evil.
And Roy posting up the totally wrong video, what a joke. , such an embarrassment to himself.
Hi Jacob!
I am not sure who he is, but I will check it out. What I find truly amazing from all of my time of posting on NTEB, is those you show Scripture to to support your position, and they ignore it, and try to put the issue back on your head while in denial of The Scripture you gave them, plus only using Scripture to support their insupportable position. I saw it over and over again. There was so many doctrinal errors I could not keep up with them. Go to a youtube video comments section of one on just: “There is no PTR.” These people all use Scripture Cobbler to support their fallacies’. We are in the Book of Jude nearing the end of age really closely. Even our POTUS said the stupidest thing ever “When I am elected I will lower food prices” Hello POTUS you can do that now. Then GG once again spouting off on Christ’s BEMA Seat; no one really knows what they will, or will not get, for treasure, except our Mansions are our for sure Gift from The Lord. The signs are screaming at us to the point like it was in Noah’s Day when all of the animals marched themselves by twos into the Ark, the biggest sign of all and still only 8 were saved. People are blind to the lateness of the Hour, Philadelphia is slowly weakening in terms of numbers, but Laodicean spoon fed cream puff snowflake CINO’s are experiencing astronomical growth.
God Bless You Jacob!
They have to defend their big hypocrite so as to be a cloak for their own dirty lives. I’m honestly done talking about this stuff. The whole thing is such a circus tent freakshow. Let them have their little cult of nothing. I am going to continue edify my audience and continue to plant seeds among the lost world. Grider and his island of misfit Baptists are only out to serve their own bellies. Thanks for your support and help!
Amen, Jacob, Amen.
Amen Jacob!
Discussing them is a waste of time, and even showing them their issues is to no avail. An unsaved person will listen more than these who claim they are saved, yet have nothing but rotting fruit.
You said it well with brevity:
They have to defend their big hypocrite so as to be a cloak for their own dirty lives.
God Bless You Jacob!
I appreciate it and your help. I totally understand why people are angry and SHOULD be. It would be immoral not to be upset.
Psalm 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
They have made it clear to everyone what they are about, and all those that still defend him. They’ll answer for it some day.
Not much more can be done. They have rewarded evil unto themselves. It’s best not to fret ourselves over it much anymore. It’s not good for our health and our walk.
Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [31] It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
God bless.
Amen Jacob!
Amen!
Jacob, you did a GREAT job exposing GSG, I for one give you a great big hug and a high five for a job well done!
Amen, Ron, Jacob and Cary!
As we all know the KING JAMES BIBLE is perfect, without error. Why do you all think the Conman narcissist ( who says nteb is kjv-only too,), sells the Geneva Bible on his rip-off, price gauging bookstore ? To make a profit by ripping people off ?? Double standard maybe !! Conman is a rip-off artist as we know, bookstore, waygiver donations, etc..
On the conman’s bookstore the Geneva bible sells for 85.50, and on Christianbook(dot)com it sells for 46.48, , on Amazon it is 46.48 as well. thekjvstore(dot)com has it for 65.00. All these are hard cover 1560 edition, exact same ones as he sells. Wow he is ripping people off and with a perverted bible(with plenty of errors) as well.
. . . and, he’s going to rip them off some more in shipping!
True. I just checked and shipping is 21.65, for a total of
107.15.
Hi Jimmy!
At his book store Video he said the shipping cost to the Philippines was $100
I went to my local post office and found out I could send a 2 pound package to there for $50 cha-ching $50 is his handling cost! Yes. Even more so how about the very fact that he claims it’s all about free yet 1.6 MILLION dollars sits in his WayGiver account DOING NOTHING. Which could purchase about
200,000 Bibles, or 8 MILLION Chick Tracts, that fund produces nothing that is why he keeps it there because if it went into his private checking account he would lose it. This is who he is ( making a pretense of all the good he is doing )
Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Where as this man was afraid GSG has a CREED OF GREED. Like the one who built bigger barns to bestow his goods.
God Bless You Jimmy!
Thank you Ron for that comment, interesting
Hi Thomas!
You are welcome.
God Bless You Thomas!
Don’t forget Ron, GSG DID want to build a ‘bible barn’ – remember? Floated that idea in September 2023.
Born Again,
He wanted the barn to store bibles that didn’t need to be stored. That’s probably why the new store has more space. Even though the company which prints the bibles would ship directly to the prisons, by playing the middleman, he can make money off it. He could tell the company that his ministry would pay for them and the jails could easily have whatever amount they need shipped to them. I researched this last year and found the company, but I’d have to look to find the name now. You might recall GG asking for money for the paper rolls to print the bibles from this place.
Wasn’t it Bible and Literature Foundation in Shelbyville, Tn? I follow them on FB and they made a post this week about Bibles they were sending out and I wondered why NTEB is the middleman when the Bible’s could be shipped directly… well, reading these articles and posts, I get it.
I think that was the company. Thanks! I wrote about it in the article exposing GG last year and there are over 1400 comments there, so it would take a while to find what I wrote.
Hi Rudonna!
He has every angle figured out, except what he will say to God because God sees and knows his heart. Why because he can tack on a handling charge for all the Bibles he ships out the Phillipines nets him a $40 to $50 handling charge for every Bible, go watch his Youtube video on the NTEB Bookstore.
God Bless You Rudonna!
Hi Denise!
Well said, as his “Handling Charges” Profit him greatly just go to the NTEB Bookstore video and you see it in action. $40 to $50 handling charge to the Philippines. Cha Ching!
God Bless You Denise!
Hi Born Again!
I haven’t forgotten, thank you for the reminder.
He has built his Barn alright
it is on Waygiver
and
it is where he keeps His Cash Cows Housed!
God Bless You Born Again!
Wow Ron, thank you , this guy is worse than i imagined he was.
Hi Jimmy!
It is sad, very sad…. yet why is that 1.7 MILLION DOLLARS sitting there doing NOTHING but accumulating????????
IT IS NOT BEING USED FOR GOD’s WORK.
And if it is to build a Bible Barn, then it is a waste; as he could have those Bibles sent from the distributors directly.
No he is using this as an excuse to have them go thru him so as to siphon off funds.
God Bless You Jimmy!
GOOD POINT!
Amen Jimmy!
Double Standard indeed, okay for me but not for thee!
If he claims he is KJB only then sells Geneva Bibles then he is a liar.
God Bless You Jimmy!
I went to the conmans website to check if he’s asking for money again and sure enough, HE IS, read this below–
“If you think a Gospel billboard across from this demonic monstrosity would be a good idea, (Massive 90ft Hindu Idol Of The False God Lord Hanuman ),please visit our WayGiver funding page and make a donation. One month for a vinyl billboard is approximately $1,250, and a full year just under $15,000. We will keep this billboard up for as long as there is funding to support it, hopefully we can keep it up at least until the end of the year. Christian, this is a great way to stand against the gathering end times darkness, while at the same time standing for the Lord Jesus Christ and the gospel of the kingdom of God. If God has prospered you, please join us in this effort. Thank you as always…TO THE FIGHT!!!”
My guess is even if he got the 15,000 he would take down the billboard after 4 months and pocket the rest $$
He wishes he could get that much. Remember when he was telling everyone he needed $5 million to run his radio show LOL? That alone should have woken people up that he’s a grifter.
Very true. He is hoping everyone either forgets he asked for that much for his radio program, or the few die- hard grifter followers left will do their best to meet that foolish goal.
What’s even more crazier, he wants the billboard in Texas in front of this thing. He can’t reach the locals in his community first? Or is he already burning bridges there I wonder?
I noticed the sign for his shop that is close to Walmart, it used to have scripture verses for salvation up there, and once his sign went up, those verses came down. What a shame.
SB2, GSG is more concerned about driving traffic to purchase items than he is putting the FULL gospel on a billboard. Even then, the self-promotion is bigger and that is shameful.
Hi Born Again!
When one makes his Creed Greed which is covetousness, then it becomes their God as GSG has clearly demonstrated, he is like the rich young ruler. Notice Christ did not first ask the rich young ruler: “thou shalt not covet”
No he mentioned everything other than, he wanted eternal life, but not bad enough to give up his wealth same with GSG. Yes it is all about his trademark and trademarked merchandise. He has no shame whatsoever.
These women he has lied to and used should all get together and sue him.
God Bless You Born Again!
Bwahahahahaaaaaaa!!!
What a laugh, what a liar!!!!
5 Million to run his radio show, why doesn’t he just sell swamp land in Florida he would be good at it.
What a Lying Cheating Fraud!
Hi William!
He does not miss any angle to do a scam does he?
You have got him nailed for sure, his billboards are more advertising, and anything of God is in smaller print.
God Bless You William!
I suppose I am wasting my breath here- but this needs to be said…
All that has been said here is wickedness. You all make up stories about things you know nothing of of people that you know nothing of. You do all and say all you can to break up a ministry that that obviously the Lord has a hand in (I see none of YOU all on here doing ANYTHING to bring souls to Jesus Christ) Shameful to be sure.
Here are some words of wisdom from Proverbs, James, and Ephesians.
Proverbs 11:12 He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace.
13 A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.
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Proverbs 12:9 The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment.
20 Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy.
21 There shall no evil happen to the just: but the wicked shall be filled with mischief.
22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.
23 A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools
proclaimeth foolishness.
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Proverbs 12:26 The righteous is more excellent than his neighbour: but the way of the wicked seduceth them.
Are you truly worshipping God the Father or Jesus Christ the Son with all that you have “spoken” on these boards???? Has there really been TRUTH spoken. All I see are a buch of lies, suppositions, myths, fairytales, and fables. The things you have spoken are abomination.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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The things you have spoken are abomination. You can not speak cursings and blessings and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
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Ephesians 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
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I pray that your souls be convicted of your evil words and thoughts and that you turn back from this froward man that you are now following.
Nice to see that Geoff coached you up to repeat those verses.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; [14] Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: [15] Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
You’re just coping because you and your possie got exposed for the frauds and hacks that you are. Soy Bell deleted both of his videos against me. Why? Where did Mr. Tough Guy go after challenging me to a boxing match and said he’d stick up for his friends? Oh, but I’m the coward lol? You people are just scared adolescent punks.
Jeremiah 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
Yep, sounds like the wolf has finally showed up! Or one of his posse!
Absolutely true SB2
Jacob, let me add to your post the fact that 3/4 of the verses quoted apply to GG and not you or your followers. How this person could accuse YOU of “lasciviousness” and “greediness” and “deceitful lusts” and a “lying tongue” (I could go on) is laughable. To say that the stories were made up is equally so, when you had documents in the 2023 article and his daughter’s own words and video in this one. Did this person only ready the headlines? Obviously they did not read the MANY comments saying it was not about forgiveness but accountability. Or where I said several times that GG promised me an article about the finances, which more than a year later has never materialized. I guess GG’s LYING TONGUE is ok????
I know; I know. Wasting my time.
Proverbs 16:7 When a man’s ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
“Peace” in that passage does not mean the enemies of the Lord won’t cause trouble, it just means they’ll be left with nothing to say with any sustenance or anything at all. (Mark 3:1-7). It’s all just cope at this point. They know they don’t have an answer so they are beside themselves with baseless arguments.
Acts 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
Hey Redeemed, Did G’s first born, Kristie, whe G never acknowledges she exists, make up the story in the video , did Kristie also make up those text messages , I think not.
You say these are made up stories, but they are factual things that happened. Go and read the article , text messages and watch the video in case you are too lazy too.
Breaking up a ministry isn’t what we are doing, it’s what Grifter Grider is curruntly working on. Only thing is now the truth is finally coming out and is being revealed.
Soon enough there will only be about 10-20 people left there in that cult (nteb), It’s all up to the Lord when he will take it down, not us here. Wake up Redeemed
Jimmy, no matter how you slice it, the fact of the matter is . . .
Expose’ August 2023 had supporting documentation for every charge leveled.
Expose’ August 2024 has sperm donor Geoffrey Scott Grider speaking, Kristie, in the flesh.
Geoffrey Scott Grider has an aversion to the truth of his existence being laid bare for all to see / hear. Therefore, he and his moderators zap and ban truth tellers. Anyone who attempts to squelch the truth, has no truth in them. Full stop.
And let’s not forget, the ‘hiding’ behind providing Bibles and hungry children.
Geoffrey Scott Grider had decades to clean up his life, but chose to perfume the dung instead.
Despicable.
Redeemed?
Here is some wisdom for you….. if you are wasting your breath as you claim…. then try using those words to Geoffrey Scott Grider on NTEB.
Oh wait that is right, YOUR WORDS( as were mine when the first winepress article came out, I was immediately blocked when I questioned GSG )
WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED.
Your above words would fall on a scarred leprous hardened spirit.
More so to SAY WHAT YOU DO ABOUT JACOB AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS POSTED HERE MAKES YOU EVEN WORSE. Are you self righteous that you paint everyone that has posted here with your Broad Brush? I know many of these Brothers and Sisters personally and they are very sound Christians in doctrine, and words.
Yet you defend a wicked person, I notice you did not include:
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked,
and he that condemneth the just,
even they both are abomination to the LORD.
That is what you are doing, and you took 21 days to post it, needed some help doing it.
Yet Geoffrey cannot stand on his own two feet, because before The Lord he would fall, so he sends people like yourself out, to come to his defense, and to try and make those here seem like We are the ones, who are the ones in error.
Got Cognitive Dissonance Redeemed??? I would say very much so.
What is more you see him as your Idol, and because you do; you cannot stand anyone putting down your idol. He has his conscience like a hot iron, nothing bothers Geoffrey’s except his Gravy Train being slowed, or brought to a halt.
Monetary prosperity is not proof of any person’s righteousness, if that was the case then all of Hollywood and the rich would be righteous before God and they are not.
If Geoffrey was right before God, then God would have never prompted Brother Jacob to write these exposes’
As for all these Brothers and Sisters on here, this I say to you:
Romans 14:4 Who ART THOU that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Yes they all stand before The Lord Jesus Christ as Do I, and I admit I am the chiefest of sinners like Paul. Before you post anymore Scripture Salads, I suggest you ask The Lord for Discernment, and discern that wolf in sheep’s clothing whom is fleecing the flock.
My support of missionaries is the best possible place to send my funding, as it is is not languishing as a 1.7 million dollars doing absolutely NOTHING for the Kingdom of God, only enriching the one who holds onto it. Even the devils Know Scriptures.
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
The Lord Rebuke You!
Redeemed he even showed he does not believe The Bible right here:
https://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2024/08/nteb-radio-bible-study-a-look-at-christian-persecution-over-the-last-2000-years-shows-us-conditions-are-ripe-for-it-to-return-in-our-day-2539727.html
“The Church started in persecution, and IF the Bible is right, it will go into the Rapture in the flames of tribulation, just not the Great Tribulation”
Right at the top of the page!
Geoff Grider has his tentacles all over the place advertising NTEB – BeforeItsNews. com and other websites I’ve seen publishing NTEB articles. It’s just a business for these people, scratching each other’s backs to draw people in and collect $$ profiting off of the Word of God for their filthy lucre. Geoff Grider is a wicked man.
Amen Loretta!
1.7 MILLION Dollars doing nothing from the time it started at a mere $25,000 it has been GSG’s retirement fund, and since it started it has just sat there, while in the interim he displays his charity of those funds for only one purpose to get more people to give him more MAMMON.
The video Roy Bell had up on the other Article, had 2 Owls in the backdrop, he took it down when he realized we knew he was signaling to all he is a Mason.
All the Masons I met in South Carolina were sexual perverts, I do not doubt that GSG is one. Also The fact that his so called Gospel Tracts show a Reflected White House on the front of them is very questionable! Ask yourself why a cross wasn’t displayed on them instead, or something pertaining to Christianity?
So as above, so as below in Satanism and Masonry.
God Bless You and Ken Loretta!
Ron, I am glad you posted that article from NTEB and where it came from: BeforeItsNews.com. I did a little research on that website, and it’s pretty disgusting what is on there. There are all different kinds of people who seemed to have become popular right after the pandemic that are just sensationalists playing on people’s emotions, and then there are the ads this website promotes. For example, one ad says “Learn How YOU can Use the Power of Crystals to Help YOU Lost Weight”, and “How to Easily Manifest Anything You Wish Using Quantum Physics”, and all kinds of other unsavory ads. BeforeItsNews.Com was founded in 2009 and has a revenue of $32.2M and 13 employees. I don’t know how all this works, but it would seem plausible GG pays them to promote his website by posting NTEB articles, and if that is how it works, he obviously does not care where his articles wind up, as long as he is getting more people to click on the article to ultimately get sucked in and make donations so GG can collect money off the Word of God. That is abhorrent. If GG really cared about the Lord, he would not want anything to do with sites such as this one. As I said in a previous post, there are other websites that promote NTEB, and those sites are very questionable as well. It is so important to know what we are looking at and to do our research.
Site traffic at NTEB must have taken a significant hit . . .
Funny because he sends one of his lackies over here with a prepared list of scriptures that don’t apply, and then Geoffy-poo just posted another post e-begging for more money lol.
Did he post on fb or on his site?
Everywhere he can!
Not more money!!!! He is wallowing in it, but he has to have his mammon coming in, he cannot live without his god.
Yes their Scriptures, funny how they have to hide behind a false name.
They miss the point THAT YOU JACOB THOMPSON LET THEIR COMMENT STAND,
and YET AT NTEB THAT COMMENT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY TAKEN DOWN BY GEOFFREY! Honest men have NOTHING TO HIDE.
dishonest men have EVERYTHING TO HIDE.
Yes that Scripture Salad written 22 days after the fact is very telling.
God Bless You Jacob!
They act like little children when you catch them in and you punish them, and then they throw a fit.
They sure do!
LOL!
(Site traffic at NTEB must have taken a significant hit) .
More than 3-fold that’s for sure Born Again
Which is likely why the sycophant army has been called.
Hi Born Again!
Funny you mention that, because there has been a spike in anonymous donations at waygiver in huge amounts. ( recycled funds? )
https://waygiver.com/campaigns/1486
I discount the authenticity of anonymous ones, because . . . that ticked WAY up AFTER the expose’ of August 2023!
For sure Indeed , an army which is delusional.
Hi Gary!
No discernment, blind people following the blind, sadly they will all fall into a ditch.
They should really question why have all the previous followers of NTEB been banned from it. Because Con men cannot afford to have the truth come come out, he would make a good communist, Marxist, socialist for all the censoring he does.
The irony in all this Is The Lord Jesus Christ let ALL of those who hated him speak lies about Him to his face, when IN FACT The Lord Jesus Christ, could have silenced them, so they spoke no lies about Him, but merely thought them….
YET THE LORD JESUS CHRIST DID NOT.
God Bless You Gary!
Excellent Point, Ron!
Yes Ron, the foolish nteb’ers left to stand by their fuhrer and cult leader will maybe someday come to their senses. It’s obvious they are not allowing the Holy Spirit to guide them, if in fact some of them may not even be truly saved, but that isn’t up for me to speculate on their salvation. As u said , no discernment on their part , and what a really big ditch they will fall into. And now it seems waygiver is 75% anonymous givers , obviously a fraud.
LOL Ron, You really don’t hold back of calling the snake Grider out of his wicked double life he is leading. And your right to do so in that regard. And what the hell….in the video one of GG daughters moved in with Kristie and tried to seduce her husband so he could divorce her and so she could have him. THAT IS MESSED UP. And is this the only family on GG’s side that actually bothered to get in contact with her? And just got instant betrayal for it. Don’t know which daughter it was but she sounds like she commits adulterous sins that causes trouble within families/connections etc. Like GG having intercourse with a married woman and children. Sounds like that daughter of his does the same. That’s a family whose dramas and the trouble that comes with it one with a sound mind should stay well clear of them.
Aiden, it was Kelsey that tried to seduce Kristie’s husband. Kelsey is, according to Geoff, his first born child – which we now know is a lie. Kelsey is also the one that Geoff bragged about her and her now husband Cameron, dated for four years and remained pure – the whole time. Kelsey’s prior history calls that into question.
Hi Aiden!
No I don’t hold back, especially after my Navy time on Subs. Discipline, integrity, honesty, and trustworthiness was a must for all crew members. Geoffrey claiming to be a man of God and a pastor puts him at a higher standard, but when one maintains a low standard they are unfit for a High Standard Position.
Sister Geri Ungrean has a lot of inside info on GSG and Lori. For an actor masks and hypocrisy come naturally, but at some time the real face is exposed.
He said this on an article:
The Church started in persecution, and IF the Bible is right, it will go into the Rapture in the flames of tribulation, just not the Great Tribulation. Sounds like he doesn’t believe it The Rapture is PTR.
God Bless You Aiden!