This article was first published on August 6th, 2024. New information has been added.
It’s been nearly one year since The WinePress revealed shocking evidence that reproved and exposed the devious and dishonest acts of Geoffrey S. Grider (63) of what used to be one of the larger Christian prophecy news websites and podcast Now The End Begins. Grider also runs a Christian bookstore and a prison operation that provides King James Bibles to jails and correction facilities that request them. Grider also owns and operates secular marketing and media company Mudflower Media in Florida.
Since The WP published its scathing allegations against Mr. Grider – which detailed evidence of a double-life while professing to be a strong Christian leader and pastor, that included a long, documented life of sexual promiscuity, voyeurism, adultery, along with deep indebtedness, and shady and misleading fundraising and donation campaigns, (which more or less were affirmed in his response to my piece exposing him, where he acknowledged some of the deeds committed, but had no remorse for his actions and threatened to sue me) – a lot has changed and Grider, and a company of others, have attempted to give himself a facelift and move on after he lost a lot of viewership and monetary support.
If you are not familiar with Grider or what he has done, then I encourage you to please read my report that thoroughly details this man’s actions and issues with his ministry:
You can also read my follow-up response to his post addressing the allegations. SEE: Response: Geoffrey Grider Of Now The End Begins Threatens Litigation Against The WinePress, Shows No Remorse And Is Caught Lying Again
Furthermore, you can read about Grider’s attempts to garner more donations for a new bookstore location – an office that never materialized. SEE: Geoffrey Grider Of Now The End Begins Wants More Money To Build Bigger ‘Bookstore & Warehouse,’ Refuses To Address WinePress Allegations
However, new evidence and allegations which have been exclusively shared to The WinePress cast an even darker shadow against Grider, making his situation and secretive double-life even profoundly worse than what I had initially reported. Unfortunately, deep secrets that Mr. Grider would like to have hidden cannot be ignored any longer. Grider has a daughter, his firstborn, that he refuses to ever acknowledge and has totally neglected all attempts to try and form a relationship with. She has now decided to come forward and reveal herself to the world and shine a new light on just how poorly her father acts.
While at the same time Grider is attempting to repair his image by glossing over past allegations, a number of well-known Baptist preachers and evangelists are attempting to help in this masquerade; which poses a number of questions concerning their integrity, morals and convictions, and their responsibility both as men and as pastors.
Winds Of Change
Before getting into those details I need to cover what has happened since last year when I exposed NTEB.
After the article dropped, it was seen and shared by tens of thousands online, dispersed by other ministries and pastors who also sought to warn people about Geoffrey Grider, and that he should be marked and avoided. Grider took a very noticeable hit with viewership and interaction. Grider’s response to WinePress’ allegations ultimately helped in defeating himself, as most of his audience became exposed to the issues disclosed in that report; and when his audience – many of whom were quite liberal in their donations to him – started to ask questions and demand a better answer, Grider began to delete comments and block all users who dared to query him for answers. Now Grider only has a relatively small group of regulars who comment and participate in his livestreams.
Nevertheless, Grider appears to have tried to roll with the punches as best as one could when under heavy scrutiny. Mr. Grider still continues to publish sensationalist content and false prophecies on top of it. A prime example of this came on March 4th when he hyped-up the April 8th solar eclipse as being some kind of prophetic event; to the point where Grider was so desperate to make a spectacle out of it he either is just a lying soothsayer or completely incapable of doing basic arithmetic, or perhaps both.
Ordinarily I would not pay much attention to something like this, but seeing as it’s Day 1,449 of 15 Days To Flatten The Curve, perhaps we would do well to investigate. The first thing you need to understand from a biblical perspective is that we are still in the Church Age, we are not looking for signs, we walk by faith and not by sight as Paul tells us. That said, our dispensation is rapidly closing and the one coming in will absolutely be looking for signs, miracles and wonders that the Antichrist will be happy to provide for them.
Here’s a fun fact, numerically the date of 04.08.24 add up to…you guessed it…18, and 18 is made up of 6+6+6. What does that actually mean in the overall scheme of things? Let’s open up our King James Bibles and find out!
Grider said in the introduction to one of his podcasts
Exposing Now The End Begins’ Lie That Emmanuel Macron Is The Antichrist, And So Much More
In the wake of the fallout since my article, Grider then produced a commercial called “The ‘Beating Heart’ Of The NTEB Bookstore Is Our Free Bible Program,” which explained the operations of his bookstore in St. Augustine, Florida.
However, several months ago Grider moved out of the affluent area of St. Augustine and moved into a larger building in the town of Palatka that he says is cheaper overall. The announcement came shortly after Grider hosted his annual camp, preaching gathering and barbecue.
On May 26, 2024, Grider announced that “for the better part of a year, we have searched and searched for a new location for our Bookstore,” and eventually he was able to find one. Grider says it’s roughly an hour away from the original bookstore in St. Augustine.
Grider explained why he sought to move locations: “We were faced with the twin challenges of rising costs and not enough space, and that limited the number of books we could carry in our inventory. Saint Augustine has been my home since 2012, but rising costs have made it a tough town to do business in.” He added: ‘We have doubled our square footage, while at the same time lowering our monthly rent cost by over 30%, truly an answer to prayer!”
On July 1st, Grider announced the soft opening of the new bookstore, though the setup was not 100% completed yet. He stressed again (emphasis his): “The best part? It’s a lot cheaper than what we were paying, and we have 3 times the available space.” On the 6th he commemorated the first week of business and announced an official hard opening in September.
On July 26th, Grider provided an itinerary of events for this official grand opening that is set to take place from September 13th through the 15th. He described it as “our first-ever mini Camp Meeting” that will be dually “held at Bethany Baptist Church here in Saint Augustine, Florida,” and at the new bookstore in Palatka. Several notable Baptist pastors will also be there to celebrate – more on that later.
Another major change since The WP article from a year ago is Grider is now officially a pastor at an Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Grider in times past was a bit wishy-washy in referring to himself as a pastor – sometimes denying it, sometimes acknowledging the title.
Grider is now a pastor at Bethany Baptist Church at 5465 County Road 208 in St. Augustine. KJVChurches.com describes Grider as an the “interim pastor.” “Bethany Baptist Church believes the King James Bible and offers Traditional worship services,” the description of the church says.
Grider, who for the longest time sported long hair, to the chagrin of many in his circle, finally got a haircut and dresses in a formal suit and tie. Grider occasionally uploads his Sunday sermons to the NTEB YouTube page, where in some instances the pews have tended to look a bit empty.
“…Worse Than An Infidel”
In my initial exposé on Grider a year ago, I examined his testimony of salvation on his website and how he claims to know the Lord. In a December, 2018, post, Grider recounted that “In 1988, I was living the dream in Hollywood, California, and had broken into the acting business while working as a waiter,” he wrote. “I was getting larger and larger parts as I progressed in the business, and I was sensing that my ‘big break’ was right around the corner,” he added.
To make a long story short, Grider, who had a struggle with drinking and alcoholism, and was on a “spiritual quest” at the time after the sudden passing of his brother who died of AIDS, was invited to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting; and from there led him to further search the truth, in which he says he soon got saved not long after he began to read through an old Gideon’s King James Bible that was gifted to him. When he tracked down John 3:16, Grider read it aloud and claims,
[…] And like a bolt out of the blue, it nearly knocked me over. At long last, here it was…here He was. God! Yes, this was it. I was so overwhelmed I could hardly speak, tears flowed from my eyes, but this time tears of joy! I felt like someone had literally taken a key and unlocked me from the chains that had weighed me down all this time. Grider wrote, adding that he then got on his knees and prayed to the Lord for salvation, and that he would later go on to experience “true spiritual ecstasy.”
This, according to his words, happened in February, 1991. However, in a follow-up article about his testimony he said he “became born again on March 14, 1991.”
Grider never really discloses when and how he officially decided to ditch Hollywood, but Grider did mention in an article in 2016 on the death of one his mentors, Dr. Peter S. Ruckman, that it was sometime “back in the mid-90’s, when I was introduced to a brother by the name of Scott Lyman,” he wrote. “Scott attended a small Baptist church near where I lived, and he was excited to hand me a Bible teaching cassette tape from someone by the name of Peter Ruckman of Pensacola, Florida. That was my introduction to the ‘good doctor’ of scripture.” Grider would play piano at his church while Ruckman was still living and infrequently prior to his death.
However, and unfortunately there is critical information that Grider has failed to acknowledge in his testimony and even now. You see, as covered in the first report, Grider was married and had three children with that wife, and after he divorced her and eventually remarried with someone else last year, he inherited a couple of stepchildren as well.
But what Grider does not want to disclose is that he has another child that was born out of wedlock. To this very day, Grider has refused to acknowledge her existence publicly and has refused to treat her as his daughter.
In an exclusive statement to The WinePress, Grider’s firstborn daughter Kristie S. (34), has decided to come forward and expose her father’s neglect and blatant negligence to have a relationship with her, after years and years of attempting to do so and seeking prayer on his behalf for her troubles.
As explained in the video provided to The WP (see below), during Grider’s Hollywood days his brother introduced Geoffrey to Kristie’s mother and eventually she fell pregnant with Kristie. When it was learned that Kristie’s mother was with child, Grider advocated for her to get an abortion, but she declined. Thereafter he went back to his home roots in New Jersey where, apparently, his family encouraged him to have no relations with Kristie or her mother. Eventually she would get Grider on the hook to pay child support after a DNA test proved Kristie was indeed Geoffrey’s daughter.
“I am thirty-four-years-old and I still have never met this man,” Kristie remarked in her testimony. All attempts to communicate with Grider were on her end alone and never once did Geoffrey try to meet her personally, and when she would try to visit him directly he would always shut it down.
Kristie is estranged from her mother as well, but when she was still living under her roof Grider and Kristie’s mother would discuss the legalities and payment plans – while around the same time Grider would engage in sexting her, even though Kristie’s mother was already married at this point. In short, she describes her parents as “covert narcissists,” and expresses that she is embarrassed to be born of them.
I feel like if he were really as righteous and good and godly as a man he makes everyone else believe that he would have taken the time all these years, in 34 years, to make things right with me.
Kristie said
Grider has been very adamant in not letting the world know who she is, so much so that when she was desperate for prayers due to personal struggles, Grider would only acknowledge her as Kristie his “friend” and not his daughter on his podcast. Furthermore, in 2015 Kristie unfortunately suffered a miscarriage. When she sought condolences from him and prayer requests, Grider told her the baby died because she “didn’t love Jesus enough.” Kristie provided a handful of text messages between the two that confirmed that Grider would not allow his audience to know of her existence:
On top of this, Kristie also described in her video how she got to know Grider’s second daughter Kelsey (who Geoffrey says is his first daughter). Kelsey stayed to live with Kristie and her husband for a time, but ended horribly as Kelsey tried to seduce her husband, Kristie explained.
2023 is the last time, was the last time that I will ever speak to Geoffrey. I have been trying to have a relationship with this man since I was 15. Again, I am 34 now and we still have never met despite […] him saying he wants to meet me.
I believe that he has done an excellent job at trying to erase the past, trying to build a persona that you all accept and like and would pay money for. However, all of that is mainly built on lies, [and] once this video comes out he will immediately go into damage control, and try to tell you that either this is not true, I’m exaggerating, etc., because that’s what narcissists do.
[…] You’re dealing with a man who is fully aware of how incompetent and broken he is, but not determined enough to actually change it or face the things that he’s embarrassed about, or heal the relationships with real honesty, with real truth with humility – there’s none of that there.I firmly believe that he is just someone who is a false prophet using God to take your money; and he’ll just keep taking your money for as long as you’ll give it.
Kristie lamented
To hear more of Kristie’s thoughts on the matter, watch her full video statement below:
“A Companion Of Riotous Men”
Since The WinePress’ report a year ago exposing Grider’s actions, even though Grider lost a strong majority of his viewer and donor base, there have been a number of preachers and notable figures apart of the so-called Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) movement who are defending Grider – particularly among those who studied under or learned from materials by Dr. Peter S. Ruckman; who pastored Pensacola Bible Baptist Church before his death in 2016, and founded and taught at Pensacola Bible Institute (PBI), and founded the Bible Baptist Bookstore; where Grider gets a large majority of the books he resells.
It should be carefully noted that Geoffrey Grider nor those who are recommending Grider are by no means indicative of everyone who has studied Ruckman’s material and/or attended PBI. However, there appears to be a large concentration of men who are in this interconnected circle that are either directly or loosely affiliated with each other in some way or another, but nor is it necessarily an indictment on those who follow and fellowship with these people. UPDATE: I also want to express that with some of these individuals it is perhaps possible that they are unaware or informed to certain extents about Grider.
These individuals have given their open support and defense to Grider since my report was published last year.
On July 26th, Grider announced his “first-ever mini Camp Meeting to be held at Bethany Baptist Church” in St. Augustine on September 13th-15th, but the first and last nights are to be held at his bookstore in Palatka. The first list of individuals are those who are slated to participate in the festivities.
Pastor Joel Tillis
Grider said in his post: ‘Pastor Joel Tillis and his entire Soul Trap team from Suncoast Baptist Church [Palmetto, Florida], will be on hand to help us launch the grand opening of the NTEB Bible Believers Bookstore at its new home at 209N 4TH Street in Palatka. Bro. Tillis will also be on hand to sign copies of his book ‘The Little Big Church.”
Tillis, who also runs a secondary ministry called “The Soul Trap,” which is described as “a paranormal, para-political and end-times media outlet” started in 2014 – Grider and Tillis are close friends and have been guests on each other’s programs on a few occasions throughout the years.
As noted previously, when a number of Grider’s followers began to suspect there was a strong possibility that he was actively committing adultery before he married his new wife, Tillis mocked those who inquired if he knew about it. The pastor responded to one user on Facebook by posting a picture of the “loser’ handsignal, and then blocked the individual.
Grider has since appeared on The Soul Trap earlier this year.
Grider also noted that both Tillis [has] been “very supportive of the Bookstore since our “soft opening”, and you’ll very much enjoy spending time with them” (emphasis his).
Dr. Bill Grady
Lastly, in his post announcing the event in September, Grider confirmed that acclaimed author and preacher Dr. Bill Grady would also be present. He “will be at the Bookstore all day Saturday as well to join in the book signing!,” Grider wrote.
Grady was a keynote speaker at Grider’s camp meeting in 2023. He wrote in a Facebook post that he was not aware of Grider’s new marriage arrangement, but Grider assured him there was no fornication. Grady ultimately defended Grider’s actions. He wrote in his post: “Speaking tongue in cheek, while Bro. Grider’s ponytail could cause some “legalists” to question his veracity (dress standards being unfortunate weakness among Ruckmanites), I’ve had the privilege of prior interaction with his lovely fiancée, and, can vouch for her love for the Lord. (Translation: Geoffrey married up!) They will no doubt make a devoted team for the unique will of God for their lives.”
Pastor Roy Bell
Roy Bell of Old School Bible Baptist Ministries is another staunch supporter of NTEB. According to his website, “Brother Roy was the pastor of the Christian church at Nevada’s largest prison during his years of incarceration and now brings his no nonsense style of plain preaching to a wider congregation. Brother Roy’s message is simple: Jesus is real and The Bible is true, period. Brother Roy serves the Lord at Bible Baptist Church in Las Vegas, Nevada.”
One day after my article dropped rebuking Grider, Bell was a guest on Grider’s podcast to discuss his testimony and prison ministry. Bell often says in jest that he is just an “old jailbird from the slammer” in his videos and sermons.
In an interview with false prophet Robert Breaker – another graduate of PBI – Bell described his testimony and how he got into ministry. He recounted that he grew up in a Christless home and was basically an atheist, who was a “hardcore drug addict and, and a criminal,” Bell said. “And by the time I got around my 21st birthday, I was on the run from the law, had spent a bunch of time and [was in] reform school,” and got around bike gangs and Mexican drug dealers. Eventually one of those gang leaders received the Lord and preached to Bell and his crowd, which he says caused him to want salvation also. He would later attend and graduate from Hyles Anderson College (HAC) in Hammond, Indiana.
HAC has an unfortunate reputation for producing and covering up for blatant sexual misconduct, adultery and molestation, among other things, and has been thoroughly documented throughout the years by multiple eyewitness accounts, personal testimonies, and public reports documenting the coverups.
But, in his words, “Then some things happened. I got discouraged and I got my eyes off the Lord. […] I ran from God, and I went back to Las Vegas and God had a big fish prepared for me, actually a few of them, and they’re called state penitentiaries. [I] ended up spending 30 years of my life in state penitentiaries because I ran from God, and I didn’t want to do what God wanted me to do.” Bell said throughout these years he was convicted of “twelve felony convictions, multiple armed robberies, two habitual criminal enhancements, and two felony prison breaks.”
Eventually Bell would become chaplain assistant at High Desert State Prison in Las Vegas, serving out his life sentence. During his time in prison Bell was a pen-pal with Peter Ruckman. Then eventually in 2020 due to complications with Covid-19 in the state, Bell was granted lifetime parole on good behavior and is now preaching in many IFB churches.
Bell has since hasted to ingratiate himself with many in the Ruckman-IFB circles, including Grider. Bell was a keynote speaker earlier this year at Grider’s annual camp meeting that began on May 17th through the 19th, where he would be seen street preaching; which he and Grider claim that in the span of a little more than an hour they led seven people to salvation, and preached a sermon on the final day.
Unfortunately, Mr. Bell is fully aware of the issues surrounding Mr. Grider. A former follower of NTEB contacted Bell via his website and was asked if knew about the problems surrounding Geoffrey. In a screenshot provided to The WinePress, not only does Bell know about the allegations, he totally defends it.
I saw the Winepress hit piece on him. I also saw it’s hit piece on Dr. Ruckman, so you know how much credibility I give that rag. I always give the man of God the benefit of the doubt. Dr. Bill Grady addressed those things last year when he preached the camp meeting. I give Dr. Bill Grady, my personal friend, full credibility. People always slinging mud at me. Plenty to sling too! It will all get sorted out at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Thank-you for your concerns. Brother Roy. Phil. 1:6
Bell wrote in response to the question
Pastor Spencer Smith
UPDATE: In my initial report, I had written, or made it seem as if, Mr. Spencer Smith had given Grider his full support. Mr. Smith has responded to the article and provided The WinePress with this statement:
I am saddened to hear about the issues in the personal life bro Grider, and I am praying for him as he seeks to resolve these issues. I have read Now The End Begins articles many times, and even used them in my videos without any knowledge of any issues in his personal life.
Smith wrote in an email
Moreover, without getting into too many details, I spoke directly with Smith over the phone and cleared the air between ourselves. As noted in his statement, Smith says he was unaware of these issues concerning Grider, and that he did not see the email I sent to him a number of months ago earlier this year asking him if he would retract his support from Grider.
I have removed my previous remarks concerning Spencer’s perceived support for NTEB.
Now, The End Begins (Again)
Nearly one year ago I tried my very hardest to leave out personal bias and opinions against Grider and simply stick with the facts, and let people make their own judgment. This time, I will give my thoughts up front and “give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful” (1 Corinthians 7:25). However, l did note this much in my initial report:
Grider clearly has worked very hard to achieve and maintain this picturesque image of himself, that he is such a dear preacher and man of God that only wants to serve the Almighty; but it is beyond evident that Grider does not live and act like he would have you to believe.
His inability to change and genuinely repent of his deeds is truly saddening, and his willingness to cover it all up rather than just ‘fess up and forsake it says all that needs to be said, as both for a so-called “man of God” and just a man; never caring once about the people’s he’s hurt, the lives and marriages he’s ruined, the churches he’s divided, the people’s he’s lied to, the listeners he’s cheated their hard-earned money out of to fund his gross lifestyle and debts; all while smiling and proclaiming that he has these deep and profound conversations and relationship with the Lord, absolving himself of any wrong doing and taking any personal accountability. Instead of stopping and staying true to his word he chose to go headlong and pretend to be someone he’s not.
As I have said, Grider has clearly dedicated plenty of time and effort into whitewashing his persona and sponging the web of his deviant nature. But continued acts of mischief will only snowball until it cascades into an avalanche that you just can’t outrun. Grider has run well for some time, put you can only run before you get buried alive in the snow heap with no one there to dig you out.
Now, the evidence that besets us is even worse than before. Moreover, as I stated in my response to Grider’s threat of litigation against me, I plainly stated that it was very apparent that “Geoffrey Grider is a lying, neurotic, sycophantic, narcissistic, FOOL!”
1 Timothy 5:8 states: “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel (unbeliever).” Denying the existence of one’s child, especially for as long as Grider has, is simply disgusting and abhorrent, and boggles the mind how one such as a man who claims to be this righteous servant of Christ can be this cold-hearted towards his own flesh and blood. I fail to see how it is a problem for Grider to simply say on his podcast and articles, ‘Hi, this is my daughter. I committed fornication when I was lost and that lady fell pregnant, but I am thankful to God that he still brought my daughter into this world, and has mercifully allowed me to have a relationship with her,” – or something like that.
My point is, why in the world would one try to conceal this? It makes absolutely no sense. If Grider claims this was done when he was not a Christian, then what is the issue? But you see, this goes back to what I said in that Grider is indeed a lying, neurotic, sycophantic, narcissistic, fool. Grider is so desperate to maintain this fake persona, that he is this perfect godly man, and is supposed to represent what a strong juggernaut of a Christian he is the sight of man; to the point where he refuses to even acknowledge her existence, so he portrays this disingenuous figure he hides behind.
I will unequivocally state that Geoffrey Grider is not saved and never was. This new evidence completely destroys every ounce of his testimony and credibility that he thought he had. Based on the evidence we have – bearing everything in mind and how he has reacted to the allegations – I believe that Grider, all those years ago, had bills to pay and playing pastor was one of the ways out, hence why he shopped around for religion until he decided to play Christian. Grider’s Hollywood career was going nowhere fast, and making a fake profession of faith and ingratiating yourself into various Christian circles is not hard in the slightest, especially nowadays, and Grider over time made a name for himself. He could appear righteous and godly to the masses and his inner circle of preacher friends, while paying existing child support and other incurred fees, and make for himself a good, sustainable living by preaching from other men’s works and “playing the game.”
Philippians 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. [2] Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. [17] Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. [18] (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [18] Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
He, so it appears, in my opinion, that he had steep bills to pay, and pretending to be a loving, caring preacherman was the way he chose to do it; by getting in with the right crowd that all choose to coverup each other’s deviant and corrupt acts (just like what really happened in John 8:1-11), and learned all the right things to say and the little nuances that come with it to beguile the simpletons. But the sad part here is knowing that the likes of Grider are just a dime a dozen.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. [18] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. [16] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Furthermore, not only has Grider done these deeds, we now have a multitude of preachers who are openly condoning his wicked works or pretending that they don’t know about them, making the situation all the more worse; because now it is no longer an isolated issue, but one that causes people to further examine and question who knows about Grider but chooses to ignore it.
Let’s be clear: this is not a “Romans 7 issue,” with saved brethren struggling with “the law of sin which is in my members;” or the case of Galatians 6:1-10, which says, “Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.” This is not that type of scenario: we are WELL beyond that. There are very clear scriptures written by the apostle Paul that state the non-negotiable criteria for a man in the office of a bishop or elder (1 Timothy 3; Titus 1); and when blatant wickedness arises, the Bible commands that those people be kicked out of the fellowship (1 Corinthians 5:1-13).
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. [12] For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? [13] But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
And yet we have people who say they “always give the man of God the benefit of the doubt.” Really? So even when the “man of God” is clearly in the wrong, you still defend him? Or when these individuals talk about “accountability,” what does that really mean if they are not even willing to judge one of their own? As far as I am concerned, this is just a glorified good-fellows club. Of course, I’m sure some of these people will come forth and say something now, now that I have exposed this. And this is just another added reason why I cannot give a Ruckman a ‘rubber stamp’ recommendation anymore. Many of his students and the blatant coverups are just added proof as to why. SEE: Compromise And Condoning Sin – Why I No Longer Recommend Dr. Peter S. Ruckman
Galatians 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
I see three general options or a combination of them moving forward: 1) These Baptists defend him or play stupid and take the heat and brush it off. 2) They make fake public announcements, put him away privately, let the heat die down and try and ship him off elsewhere. 3) Grider actually does get the boot, and since he can’t pay the bills he’ll denounce the Ruckman and KJV-only position as a cult, and then snuggle up with the megachurches and NAR crowd, and make more money than he did before.
As for Grider, as I said, he is a fraud. Stop listening to him, stop supporting him, and mark and avoid him.
[7] Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? [8] Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? [9] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? [10] Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. (1 Corinthians 9:7-10).
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Kristie, you have nothing to be embarrassed about. No one has any say in who their biological parents are. The fact that Geoffrey Scott Grider has rejected you for your entire life, didn’t ever want you to begin with, says all you need to know about him. He’s not father material – in the slightest.
I can see and hear your pain. I hope that coming forward gives you closure from that pain as you release it for all to witness. Although you desire love from at least one of your biological parents, the reality is, some parents aren’t worth having. The only purpose they serve is as an example of how not to be. Geoffrey Scott Grider is not worthy of you, sweetheart. He isn’t.
Praise God you have a wonderful supportive husband and a beautiful family.
How dare Geoff write those ugly words to you about your miscarriage(s)! Miscarriages occur for many reasons, i.e., vitamin / mineral deficiency, something going wrong in gestation, etc. For him to say those untrue things, his intent was to further hurt you. And, given the opportunity, he’d continue.
Any man (regardless of the relationship or lack thereof) that reduces a woman to tears is not worth having. Period.
And, Kelsey – that nut didn’t fall far from the tree! Trying to seduce a husband that belongs to another woman! And Geoff kept saying Kelsey stayed ‘pure’ for four years while she and Cameron dated – doesn’t sound like it! She, like Calvin, lived what they learned from parental example.
Kristie, I love you. I don’t have to have met you to love you. Because Jesus Christ loved me, and saved me, I. love. you! I also will pray for you. I don’t need specifics, because God knows those.
Sweetheart, you have done a wonderful service by making that video.
Thank you.
Also Kristie, if your ‘sperm donor’ (Geoffrey Scott Grider) were truly a new creature like the bible says, he could have used you in his personal testimony and cherished you from when you were a baby. His choice not to, speaks volumes.
In the event he wants to change that now (for damage control), it’s totally insincere and everyone will realize that.
May God abundantly bless you, Kristie.
Amen!
Well said. And a big Amen!
Absolute wickedness for this guy to recommend a women to kill her child. This is someone you do not want to have fellowship with. I hope his children show him require for what he has done (1 Timothy 5:4).
These false pastors are not taking heed to the words Paul told Timothy!
1 Timothy 5:22
“Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.
This guy is a devil, fornicator, adulter, lost man.
Amen Joseph.
Even The devil and his demon’s know Scripture.
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Jude shows we are in the last times right before Revelation:
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.
Here is Geoffrey’s retirement fund:
https://waygiver.com/campaigns/1486
It’s original goal was only 25,000 and morphed to 1.75 MILLION yet since the first breaking news by Brother Jacob Thompson on Geoffrey Grider it has ballooned once more from 1.75 MILLION to
the NEWEST GOAL of
1.95 MILLION!
All Donations and he is free to do whatever he wants with donated money which means you have gifted it to him, one person asked him for a receipt and he told them he does not do that.
WHAT WILL BE HIS GOAL as he approaches closer to this.
Just one look at the front of NTEB and it is about MONEY, and about inflating his ego and more importantly to him inflating his wallet.
Ron, I can confirm that this is just the crumbs. I did not officially report this, but a former employee at the bookstore and I talked, and this person revealed that Grider would receive multitudes of checks worth $10k, and even saw a $30k one at one point. This person worked there for roughly a year and half, and quit 2 months before my report last year. So the online donations were just a part of the funding. Now that a major donor base is gone, I imagine he is struggling to maintain his lifestyle he once had.
Hi Jacob!
I pray you are well my Brother! We are fine here.
I had heard as much too about what comes in the mail, not the amounts, comes as no surprise. For all we know the book store is a means for laundering money.
I have yet to read all you article, busy with church, and family, and a days worth of e-mails. I would love to tail him to see what stores he attends for his spending.
His love of money is all over the front page of NTEB, not to mention the love of himself and the ego flatteries he needs.
His daughter with respect to Geoffrey as her dad reminds me of the same thing I had with my real dad who left me at the age of 1-2.
Well Pastor’s defending him, instead of reproving, rebuking him are in error themselves.
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
I have to wonder are they themselves convicted of the very sins Geoffrey is guilty of?
God Bless You Brother Jacob!
And this right here, is another among many reasons, that I will not attend a church building. They are full of these types of people. Covering each others wickedness up. It’s like once these guys start making money, they leave judgment, mercy, and truth to the wind. They do not want their “image” tarnished.
Hi Daniel!
Do not paint them all with a broad brush in one stroke.
We are near the end and our Rapture close.
Look at their doctrinal statement that is the tell all.
God commands us to:
Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more,
as ye see the day approaching.
One cannot assemble on line, now some may be handicapped to where they cannot attend church, but for those of us who can we need to attend one.
God sent me thru a buddy of mines encouragement to seek out one, and God showed me the one to attend and I am Blessed by it.
There are many prosperity, ear tickling Laodicean Churches their Doctrinal Statements
tell much about them:
My Churches Doctrinal statement:
https://syracusebaptist.org/our-doctrine.html
God Bless You Daniel!
May The Good Lord find you a good church home.
Remember there are no perfect churches this side of heaven and if that is what you are looking for you will never find it in an imperfect world.
Hebrews 10:25 is not about Christians being required by God to erect buildings and assemble therein. The book of Hebrews is written for the unsaved Jews of today that will go through the time of Jacob’s trouble in the future. Christians can and should use Hebrews for instruction and wisdom of course, but not for doctrine such as salvation in the church age, among others. Here’s a video explaining this in more detail:
https://youtu.be/1N6u-PO08xU?feature=shared
Hi Neil D.
Really and you send us off to some video, video’s are not a KJB.
2 Timothy 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished unto all good works.
God is smarter than man is, God would have told this doesn’t apply to His Church. Also He Said: “ALL SCRIPTURE, not portions.
God doesn’t change.
Tell me how many are forsaking the assembling together in these last hours?
I can tell you this much me and my pastor knock on doors, and this man answered the door and we told him where we were from… and this was his response: “I am a Baptist Preacher and I have lived here 50 years, and have had many Mormons and JW’s knock on my door, but you are the very first real Christians to knock on my door in all that time!” That is the shameful state of the church. So you say. I usually do not watch videos for once garbage is inside it is there forever.
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,
and ye need not that any man teach you ( Especially You-Tube ):
but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things,
and is truth,
and is no lie,
and even as it hath taught you,
ye shall abide in him.
Ron, if you didn’t watch that King James Bible study I sent you before saying those things, then shame on you:
Proverbs 18:13
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
I’m not denying 2 Timothy 3:16, but you have to divide God’s word correctly when it comes to important doctrines (the KJB is divided into different dispensations regarding specific doctrines):
2 Timothy 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth.
I’m all for Christians getting together to study the Bible and worship the Lord, such as house churches or wherever brethren can get together without the distractions and yoke of maintaining a building that will only result in debt and compromising with the government for tax-exemption purposes, which is what most of these “church” buildings are about. Essentially, the building becomes an idol and a distraction, more important than the Lord and his word.
1 Corinthians 7:35
And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
I sent you the video for you to read along with the KJB while a preacher explains in better detail, using many scriptures, to prove that Hebrews is not for Christians regarding doctrines such as salvation in our times today. Or with erecting temples, calling them “churches” and requiring Christians to attend, which are not scriptural. The channel has many scriptural studies about this, as well as actual evidence of what goes on with most of these buildings. Way better than me trying to squeeze everything in here:
Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
I could however give you these familiar verses:
Acts 17:24-25
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, DWELLETH NOT IN TEMPLES made with hands; 25 neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
I’m sure you’ve read in the Old Testament how the Lord gave very detailed, LENGTHY instructions on how to build the tabernacle/tent for the ark, as well as the house that Solomon built for the name of the Lord. Tell me, if God wanted New Testament Christians to build temples and call them “churches”, show me the New Testament scriptures where he specifically commanded this and gave detailed instructions to Christians. I’ll save you some time, it’s not in there.
The term “church” in the KJB pertains to the group of believers, not a building:
Romans 16:5
5 Likewise greet the church that is IN their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
Hypothetically, if God truly approves of these buildings, why is it that there are always cover ups, perversion, and lots of people who go to them that for the most part don’t know the Bible, despite many years of attending? Why is it that many of these buildings obeyed the tyrannical government and closed shop when the past scamdemic happened? Because these buildings have no true power in the Lord and will always compromise one way or another with the tyranny of governments to maintain the business. These buildings value the “social club” experience more than obeying and studying the scriptures.
Do yourself a favor, study the issue diligently before you get sucked in deeper with this unscriptural practice of going to these buildings.
So tell me: How is your house church organized, or is that a myth with you too? The Bible speaks of a Bishop ( pastor )and Deacons is that an organizational myth. My pastor bows only his knee to The Lord Jesus Christ, and he will speak out on ANY issue. You came and jumped right into my conversation with Jacob to what purpose. A house is a BUILDING too isn’t it, and I REALIZE the Church is the body of believers IS CHRIST’s CHURCH. You come on here like; if we are not meeting in someone’s house; then we cannot possibly be right with The Lord, and like various religions and such new things being promoted out there, you cannot be right with God UNLESS……. Fill in the blanks. Lastly a church Building is just that but it is also a way for unbelievers to come in and hear The Gospel.
All the Scripture I have seen you post I am fairly well studied on, but I notice you post those things which you use to make your argument that you are somehow more righteous by having a house church.
Do yourself a favor too, stay off of you-tube, and as far as your comment:
“Do yourself a favor, study the issue diligently before you get sucked in deeper with this unscriptural practice of going to these buildings.”
I have been sucked into nothing as I have seen read comments like yours these many years. By the way, The Holy Spirit dwells in me too, and He did not say I needed to go to your You-tube video. He convicts me, I lost a debate on corn one and The Holy Spirit convicted me on that little issue and I tried to find that individual to apologize to him, but could not locate them, and if I needed to view your video, The Holy Spirit would convict me on that too. A church building can have a BODY of Believers under it’s roof
The Lord rebuke thee, and shame on you.
As expected, no scripture to back up your claims. I’m only trying to warn you. Also, I don’t have a house church.
Galatians 4:16
16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
If you still can’t see the truth about this in the Bible—after “many years” as you’ve said—then maybe you should do this:
2 Corinthians 13:5-6
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
Also, do some research on the recent, rising cases of shootings in these “church” buildings. Believe it or not, I’m trying to help you. But if you continue to ignore what scripture says, then it’s on you. Goodbye.
Hi Neil!
Warn me about what?
Do you think I am without discernment?
I am very much aware of my surroundings and so is my pastor.
He’s ex Air Force, I am an ex submariner of 17 years.
I also received anti-terrorism training in the navy, for the submarine I was on, I was the Weapons Department Leading Chief Petty Officer, and have been responsible for submarine security.
We have prepared our church for any shooting issue.
Examine myself? I am in the faith alright, Jesus Christ is my Personal Lord and Savior, I was saved by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection 35 years ago, the Navy Chaplain gave me what I needed to know to remove my stumbling block I had that lead to my Salvation. I use Scripture frequently, obviously I do not need to provide you with any, as you already know it. The Lord dwells in me by the sealing of His Holy Spirit until the day of Redemption which is The Rapture.
So what is it you feel I need to do…. according to you???????
Why single me out if your info is so desperately needed, tell every single person posting here individually, and on all Christian websites and Blogs. If I die so what, I am 66 so it’s either by a natural death to heaven, a martyrs by someone killing me off, or by Rapture… in all I cases it’s a WIN-WIN, I go to heaven, get my mansion, and the devil can never bother me again. Right?
God Bless You Neil!
Dear Kristie,
I send my love to you and to your family. I agree with brother Born Again, when he said that you have nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, you have bravely tried to deal with a difficult situation that you were born into. You tried to work through the issues that you were presented with. Sorry that you did not have willing partners on the other side.
I would love to have you as a daughter, what a blessing you were from God. So often in our sin nature people don’t understand what God truly intended the family to be and what a blessing it is. That was the case with your mom and dad and that has caused you a lot of pain. As brother Born again stated, talking about this is a way towards healing.
Although I am a Christian, I did not come from a Christian home. My parents shared characteristics with your parents. I want to share that It took me time to work through those issues. In spite of this, God had a good plan for me and he does for you too. It was a plan for forgiveness, healing and helping others like me who did not come from ideal settings. God restores what is lost, I will be praying that for you.
Here is the Bible verse that got me through all that I had to deal with, Psalm 27:10 (KJV)- “When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.” I believe that verse with all my heart. What a huge blessing for the world that this is who God is, he takes our cause up!
I know that God is holy and good and he cares for us perfectly, the way Geoff and your mom should have. I want you to know that your father trying to blame you for the relationship problems is self-serving. Making you the problem serves his narrative. He should dig down deep and learn from God and “take up” your cause. I wish you and yours many blessings from God.
Sincerely,
Bee, that is a beautiful verse for Kristie to cling to.
Amen!
God Bless You Born again!
You too, Ron! And, everyone here!
Thanks for informing us.
Thanks for telling me. I will not watch Spencer Smith anymore and didn’t know they were yoked up.
David, if we throw out every preacher and Bible teacher that appears to have streaks in their bloomers, we’d have none left! I think we sin when we do that. Being guilty by association doesn’t make one a heretic or an unredeemable sinner; it proves their humanity.
Spencer has revealed as many false teachers and preachers as Jacob Thompson has; perhaps more. I, too, was very disappointed to see how he reacted to the “heads-up” re: Grider that he was given. Sometimes, it’s difficult to see you’re in a den of thieves when they’re so good at it. That alone, should never disqualify someone or their ministry that is otherwise very good and in alignment with the Word.
Let’s not be so quick to judge, and to throw the baby out with the bath water. If they don’t accept warnings and proofs, then that’s between them and God; that doesn’t make them a godless heretic. If that were the case, ALL OF US here would be in very serious trouble! Mt. 7: 1 comes to mind at this point…
There’s not a single one of us here that agrees on everything in God’s Word, or are perfect or blameless behind the scenes… not one! Should we all be thrown to the dogs? Where is love, grace, and mercy in that? What about the righteous and correct things Spencer and us have to bring to the table? I have not EVER seen such hateful and judgmental people as so-called “Christians” are! As long as there is life, there will always be disagreements, misunderstandings, mistakes, and room for the devil to work… Let’s not help him out.
I reached out to Spencer since I’m a channel member of his and shared the link to this article. Here is his response:
“Yeah, I made one video a long time ago where I said Grider’s website was good, and now I’m somehow complicit in his complicated personal life, (which I knew nothing about). Oh well. Thanks for the heads up.
Your Friend, Spencer.”
I think he’s been judged unfairly in this article.
Aaaand… then I see that the accusations against him have been retracted. Thank you Jacob, you and Spencer are both faithful brothers in the Lord.
Chuck, I still have a problem re: the way Spencer refused to acknowledge the truth of the matter re: Greedy Grider. He should’ve carefully examined the evidence and then called him out. He didn’t. That’s very problematic for me, since I have greatly appreciated Spencer’s timely exposés of so many others.
I believe a person who does that is complicit in the sin. He may not lose his salvation, but he will lose rewards, i.e. viewership. That’s just a couple of squeezes from my whine press. (Intentional misspelling)
Who knows, Skywatcher? Maybe he will do a video exposing him. Give him some time and let’s see what happens.
Kristi, if you’re reading this, I’m a male who has walked in similar shoes as yours, when it comes to a father-son relationship. It never was what it should’ve been…because of alcohol. I was also unwanted because I was born out of wedlock, a bastard. However, I had a mom who dearly loved me. My heart breaks for you. I also echo the words of “Born Again”.
I’m soooo very proud of the person you’ve turned out to be! PTL! Unlike our fathers, God is our Heavenly Father, Who never lets us down, and loves us unconditionally. It doesn’t get any better than that! Due to the fact that you reached out to Grider for prayer, am I correct to assume you’re a born again child of God? I so hope so, because He has so much wonderful and awesome things in store for us!
Our “race” is nearly run; we’re quickly approaching the finish line, so despite everything, pls keep your eyes upon Jesus, your hand in His, and the hope of His blessed appearing in your heart. Your testimony has caused you to be loved by a much greater family! We look forward to meeting you in the VERY NEAR future! God bless you, precious one!
Months ago, I reported G. Grider to the FBI, but nothing came of it. Satan really protects his own! Since the assassination attempt on Trump, it’s obvious they’re no better than Grider! Hence, no investigation.
Thank you, Jacob, for another good exposition of this wolf in sheep’s clothing. I’m much older now than I was when I began to read it, but every word was / is so necessary! Thank you, for exposing some very inconvenient truth… I had no idea that Spencer Smith regarded this demon with such disregard for the truths you presented to him. To ignore or to comply is to be complicit in the sin(s). Oh, my!!!
Amen Skywatcher 60, amen.
Kristie, thank you for sharing your story. Sad, but helpful. You are a beautiful person inside and out. Our sister, Born Again, shared words of wisdom with you that I agree with.
I am so sorry and saddened that you’ve had to suffer through life with the added trials of two unkind, mean parents. Miraculously, you’ve risen above it. And Jesus’s light shines through you. Keep on keeping on, knowing that you’ve done the right thing by sharing YOUR testimony.
Thank you. ❤️
Good to ‘see’ you me4JC. I hope you are doing well.
What a wolf’s den. They’re everywhere,& unrepentant. Brazen. Unbroken. And, the tragedy is that they turn so many from biblical truth& salvation, or growth to stable Christian maturity. Turning them from true dispensational truth into confusion and/or the arms of Roman Jesuitism.
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I’ve come to the realization that any TULIP sniffer who pooh-pooh’s the gap& plan of God’s kingdom, with today’s pilgrim church, is subject to something much worse& more pagan, humanist & idolatrous with their ‘Eternity Past’ myth, ‘eternal decrees’ & so forth that are taught only to ‘master’ level nicolaitan sorcerers.
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It goes hand in hand with their philosophical trinity ‘core doctrine’ misrepresenting the Lord Jesus Christ & the Godhead. With visible church body perpetuity teaching & so forth.
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All the Augustinian Puritans were guilty of this to varying degrees & are accountable for not continuing in the word: whether Tychonian alchemists or Newtonian. For falling back to ‘respectable’ civic religion despite the scriptures.
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It was what took down Paisley in the end, & those who stalled along the way calling themselves ‘baptist’ (remember, John Gill was, too). And double minded Charles Haddon Hidden Hand Spurgeon with his Sir Christopher Wren designed & built ‘Metropolitan Temple’.
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They did the same in Providence, RI ….paid for by lottery no less! And every hard shell, hard back, ‘primitive’ ‘baptist’ of the south & Texas clinging to the TULIP did the same. Moved from the whole word. Become nicolaitan.
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It’s easy to see now.
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And with their rejection or merchandising of the biblical rapture prior to the time of Jacob’s trouble. Making of it a mockery.
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No man with only a handful of ‘fundamentals of the faith’, an ‘only the originals’, or fake Bullingerite ‘Trinitarian Bible Society’ attitude truly believes the word of God, or can even hope to rightly divide it. The Lord is not mocked.
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Ruckman had those things right, whatever else he was.
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The mystical NAR stuff is Capuchin, &Canaanite death cult & Loyolan, too. Occult spiritualism capitalizing on feminine weaknesses & sinful tendencies. Bunch of Sermon on the Mount stuff taken out of proper prophetic context, Augustinian style & denying the dispensational change.
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Also a lot of European influenced Lausanne global ‘evangelism’ or Schaeffer ‘classical’ gorbage either one.
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I trust neither. I’m thankful the Lord opened my eyes, however late.
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Doubling down on ‘standards’ etc alone cannot deal with that, & generally disintegrates into a rigid, antinomian, antiwoman, family order thing which is just as profane as its opposite. It’s easy to just dismiss with the Jezebel/beta slur. Any Ahab, or profane Jehu who maintained the idolatrous calf worship in spite of casting her down, can do it, too!
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There are many come into the antichrist global order via military psych& scripture manipulations capitalizing on 1 Timothy 6 sins. They seek acquisition of property & ‘influence’ beyond bringing the word & Gospel. They are antichrist transformers, Daughters & partners of Rome, & many don’t even realize it because they’re pseudo King James Only.
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Guys like David Cloud. Strong, but strangely ‘dry’. Browbeaters. Beguiled by evolution, science, scholastic Aquinas academia, etc.
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Military connected Doug Staufford is also making some strange ‘lordship salvation’ changes to his brand of dispensationalism that just don’t smell right.
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Beware bitterness. Beware ‘saint’ making after death, or anathematizing a man after his death when he cannot give an answer. Those things can blind& lead to undue arrogance& lack of wisdom with regard to caution in association. The wwe and transformer syndrome: gonna fight the antichrist etc. The Lord knows who are his own & his chastening can be messy.
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It’s about to get really messy. We live in truly perilous times. Stay in the word.
That’s Stauffer, not Staufford. Calls himself ‘Bible Doug’.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Act 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Act 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel.
Act 20:34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
Act 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Psalm 68:5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.
From the true and only word of God the KJV Bible. Mrs. Kristie your dad sounds so cruel, but the God of gods and the Father (Jesus Christ) will give you justice Psalm 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
https://youtu.be/eUVKUHNY5Mg?si=b5tGzEO_X7ETRpqf
https://youtu.be/ZjrIYyZISmM?si=wSsqNk_ogxUOTjtE
When you expose false teachers and false prophets, it becomes a rabbit hole.
Geoffrey Grider is not only a false teacher but also a deadbeat dad who hasn’t repented even once.
And now he’s playing victim as others pastors or “pastors” come running in his defense like he’s some damsel in distress when really they ought to be running to his daughter to comfort her and throwing her dad out of the fellowship and marking him!
David Daniels of Chick Publications being one of them, this…is…SICK!!!
There is a video Daniels made years ago where openly called James R. White a “brother.” That was definitely shocking because White is a radical 5-point TULIP sniffer, hates the KJB, and in all likelihood is probably a Jesuit coadjuator; so for Daniels to say that is troubling, but these guys are extremely liberal with calling anyone and everyone a brother in Christ. It’s a joke. I have some serious questions about Daniels, stuff that I have noticed and people have been letting me know about over the years.
This is becoming a great opportunity for believers to clarify what God’s way is and how we live the Christian life. We know number one is trusting in God’s plan and his way and not leaning on our own understanding because it will mislead us.
Through personal interaction and the NTEB website, I have learned that GG is not to be trusted.
Amen Billy!
he is like Judas with “the bag of money” and betrays those who followed his website.
God Bless You Billy!
Kristie, you thanked us for watching your video and letting you share your story, and it was my pleasure to watch it. I am sorry you have such a miserable excuse for a father, and I have no problem believing your story after I saw the way he treated those who supported his ministry when the first story broke a year ago and the truth was revealed about him. Geoff could not delete comments or ban people fast enough to try and cover up the truth. All he has succeeded at, though, is digging a deeper hole for himself. GG has caused a world of hurt for so many people in so many ways, and I guess he didn’t read the part in the Bible where God says all lies shall be revealed (Luke 12:2 KJV). I am sorry you were treated so poorly by your Earthly father. It is Geoff Grider’s loss and believe me, he will come to realize what a precious and beautiful child he let go. I feel your pain because my father left our family too when I was 15. That was 45 years ago and the hurt still resides. Don’t let what Geoff did to you ever ruin your relationship with Jesus Christ. God bless you, Kristie.
Words cannot express just how happy I am that I am NOT a BAPTIST. I can’t stand these sick and twisted freaks, covering up for each other’s sins the way they do. It’s just downright disgusting.
PERVERSION and GREED is the Baptist’s creed.
Praise God I became a CHRISTIAN instead of a BAPTIST. Thank you for exposing this devil and his wicked Baptist defenders. May God bring Geoffrey’s “ministry” to nought.
Anthony, please be very careful in your assessment and judgment. “PERVERSION and GREED is the Baptist’s creed.” That appears to be the truth re: Conventional Baptists, but not so much in the Independent Baptist churches. MANY years ago, we “came out from among” them, as directed by God’s Word. Ind. B’s are very careful, sometimes to an unnecessary or unwarranted extreme, because they take their relationship with God and their fellow man very seriously.
I was saved in an Independent Baptist church 58 years ago. A lot has changed in that denomination over the years; some good, and some bad changes. We’re all individuals, and as those changes arose, the faithful and committed had to make some very serious decisions. Sadly, instead of rooting out the problem, many simply got tired of the fight (if there was one) and walked away. That happens in all denominations. Be encouraged…we’re living in the signs of the times…the signs of apostasy are being fulfilled because we live in the times of the signs. It will get worse, but I cannot imagine how! Hang onto Jesus, no matter what comes your way! We’re almost Home! Maranatha!
I would be very careful with that accusation, don’t paint them all with a broad brush as you are doing right now. I am with an independent Baptist Church. My pastor is all for mandatory reporting of any crime, especially molesting of children. He is a veteran. I would stand by and allow anyone to go unreported. I too am a Christian, and any and all affiliations with any Church, and without Christ only lead to hell. A church’s doctrinal statement shows where they stand with God’s Words…. most of the doctrinal statements I have read these days are just a bunch of feel good words.
In my above reply:
Stated: ” I would stand by” should have read: “I would not stand by”
I raised 3 sons and would not let them visit anyone’s house without checking the parents out first, in this day and age one cannot be too cautious.
I have to say Kristi does NOT look like her Dad. She is very pretty. He is so full of himself. He pictures himself a Clark Gable kinda guy, which means he thinks he’s gorgeous and has an ego bigger than all outdoors, which God does not appreciate and will humble him down to nothing when he’s standing in front of God, which will be soon. He should be ashamed of himself, which also let’s us know he’s a narcissist. They have no conscience and always think they are the victim.
Well he’s in God’s hands, and that’s not a good place to be if you are unrighteous.
I’m glad that we had the discernment to leave….well, some of us had no choice because we got banned after daring to question GG. I am still baffled by those who stuck with him; how can they not see? I just checked the latest article there, and the same people are still commenting, plus a lot of new ones. I thought S and K were so sweet, but they chose not to see. D is still promoting his stuff, piggy-backing on GG. I honestly don’t miss it at all. I miss the fellowship of some of the people, though. I doubt GG will even mention this latest article because he comes off as a deadbeat dad and worse. No way he can accuse Jacob of a “hit piece” when it’s coming from his own daughter. I pray that his followers will somehow see this article and have their eyes opened.
Yeah, I suspect he just might have enough “smarts” this time to keep his mouth shut. I’m sure a number of his allies in that system are coaching him on what to do. With exception to Smith, the silence has been odd and noteworthy to say the least. His prior actions have made his guilt all the more worse.
Hello Char hope you are doing well. I am so grateful that our eyes have been opened to GG’s deception. More and more will still come out. Be blessed!
What happened to considering 1 Timothy 3:1-13 when putting a Pastor in the pulpit? What happened to a church having a high standard for leadership? This passage was one of those scripture portions which were kept in mind when considering someone for a position of authority in a ministry position. Geoff Grider is now in several leadership roles. He is a Pastor, he runs a Bible donation ministry, and Christian Bookstore.People seeking spiritual direction happen upon his radio ministry when looking for guidance and insight. Part of the importance of speaking out against rogue preachers is the high standards that God sets for the Ministry. We must all speak that ultimate truth.
I reached out to Spencer Smith since I’m a channel member and shared a link to this article suggesting he respond. Glad to see he got in contact with you Jacob and cleared the air. Praise the Lord! I see you retracted your statements about him as well and am grateful. I consider you both to be faithful brothers in Christ.
Yes, we discussed some things in regard to Grider and I explained where I was coming from as to why I mentioned him, but I feel and hope we have a better understanding in regard to the situation. He expressed his concerns to me about what Grider has done and has now been made aware of.
Jacob’s emphasis in the updates to this article put an emphasis on the biblical principle of accepting responsibility for the wrong that we have done. We are sinners in need of redemption and forgiveness, that is a core principle. Indeed, we are given such an amazing gift of forgiveness by God why wouldn’t we be humble and go before God and confess our sins and be made right again? Why would we not go to one another and share the errors we have made and move forward to heal the wounds that have been caused because of our sin? There are so many lessons for me about my life and walk with God that are illuminated by this whole story. At any rate, the standard if you are in leadership is a certain mastery, not perfection, on these issues. We must hold our ministry heads accountable if we want the church to stay true to God.
Wow, just saw this article and will be reading later, not surprised by this at all. Had heard bits and pieces about this in the past. Now it is all out , God Bless all of you
Shortly after arriving at NTEB a few years ago, I read one of GG’s posts about how he was shopping in Publix one Sunday, on his way to do something or the other. His Sabbath activity told me everything I needed to know about him/his website, so I have, of course, since avoided his site.
Sabbath-keeping is a sign between God and the Jews, not born again Christians. Seventh Day Adventism is a heresy.
Have you heard of the Ten Commandments? You can read about them in the KJV.
Is that how you got saved Jane? By following the Ten Commandments?
Also, the actual Jewish Sabbath is Saturday.
All this mess revealed about Grider and you’re over here talking about him going to get some milk and toilet paper on the sabbath day, and how that told you everything you needed to know? Surely you can’t be serious.
Amen Dolly!
The Sabbath day is Friday from sunset to Saturday sunset.
They must be serious, or else they would not emphasize such.
They forget about:
Luke 6:1-2 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands. And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
Then they fail to take into account why the Apostles went into The Synagogues on The Sabbath days, where else would the Apostles have found The Jews in number to give them the Gospel.
We who are in Christ entered into His Rest when we got saved.
The law is a school teacher showing the lost they are Guilty before God.
1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Yet people would try to bring others under the yoke of the law, rather than freedom from that yoke by Faith in The Lord Jesus Christ.
God Bless You Dolly!
Geoffrey Grider is getting away with nothing.
God Sees it all, especially his heart, he may think he has gotten away with it all, BUT
God is slow to wrath and when God’s Wrath falls watch out!
Many examples in God’s Words of such, and before He punishes the wicked He gives them many chances to turn away from their wrongdoings until God is left with no recourse but to punish them.
When I called out Geoffrey on NTEB I was one of the first to be banned from NTEB, how dare I question Geoffrey the fake on His own website. Sadly my donations were wasted on NTEB, now I use plenty of caution by first checking out anything or anyone I donate to.
Brother Ron, what was given by those who gave, did so with purity of heart. God knew of our intent. Narcissist-In-Chief Grifter Grider will answer for misuse of every single cent.
Hi Born Again!
I whole heartedly agree, they gave with a pure heart, that was what I did.
They will be the ones getting heavenly rewards, not Grider for large scale grifting.
I suspect I will not have much treasure in Heaven, but I have never sought out to deceive anyone, nor seek money from any.
God Bless You and Have a Blessed Weekend and Sonday!
YBIC Ron
Can we all just stop with the fighting over scripture interpretations and focus on KRISTIE???? This young lady has poured her heart out about how she has not felt love from either parent her entire life. Please, please give her respect for sharing her story, I’m sure this was hard enough for her to talk about without people arguing doctrine. Thank you.
I wish this site allowed me to upvote you. I was thinking the same thing. We may not all agree on the Sabbath, but we are all members of the Body of Christ and need to speak kindly to one another. I know that the times that I’ve been rude to someone, I almost immediately repent and feel bad about it for days. Lesson: be kind in the first place. LOL
I understand that there are newly-saved people or “baby” Christians that can get deceived by this teaching that Christians have to follow the sabbath, or forbidding to eat pork or any other creature that was deemed unclean in the Old Testament laws; and may get carried away with judging and condemning Christians that don’t follow these “rules”.
But, if any who profess to be saved for many, many years, yet still ignore what scripture teaches regarding this issue with the sabbath day; or forcing people not to eat the types of food forbidden for the Old Testament Jews; that these so-called requirements are NOT for Christians in our times today—to be blunt, it’s either you don’t love the Lord’s word enough and are too lazy to study the scriptures, or you are not truly saved. I personally think the latter concerning those professing “seasoned brethren”.
Galatians 3:23-27
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are NO LONGER under a schoolmaster.
Galatians 2:15-16
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 KNOWING THAT A MAN IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the works of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.
About unclean foods in the Old Testament:
1 Timothy 4:3-5
3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For EVERY creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, IF it be received with thanksgiving: 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Acts 10:9-15
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 10 and he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11 and saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12 wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Acts 21:18-25
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all ZEALOUS OF THE LAW: 21 and they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that THEY OBSERVE NO SUCH THING, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
Did you see verse 25? Simple isn’t it? No “sabbath requirements”. Why complicate matters with following the Old Testament laws not required for Christians?
If you (those who condemn saved people about the sabbath) still want to keep it despite what the scriptures CLEARLY say, have at it. But don’t go judging Christians who don’t adhere to this unnecessary rule—Romans 14.
(I’m not defending lost, wicked Grider by the way, just refuting this sabbath issue of “working” to keep your salvation.)
Amen Neil!
Kristie, thank you for sharing your story. I am so sorry that Geoff hasn’t been a father to you all of these years and has tried to hide you. I’m heartbroken hearing this. Thank you for sharing your story. You deserve so much better. I’m also sorry about what Kelsey did to you. It is despicable.
He’s PREACHING at a CHURCH??? This man is not qualified to be a pastor.
Amen, Dolly!
Doesn’t GG pay only a $2 handling fee for those Bibles?
Jacob, did you say that one of his major donors left him? (I hope they got wise)
Thank you, Jacob, for exposing this. Thank you to Kristie too. She was warning those giving him their hard earned money.
Hi Sophia!
More than $2, look at his Bible barn video on you-tube.
I looked up USPS shipping costs to the Philippines from his place in Florida, and he doubled it. His Creed is Greed, sad but true. His Waygiver donation site started with his goal at $25,000 and has morphed to 1.75 MILLION, and recently changed to 1.95 MILLION as his goal and stands at $1,694,450 or almost 1.7 MILLION!!!
Cha ching!
God Bless You Sophia!
Ron,
And if he’s getting tens of thousands of dollars from people then why does he ask for help every single solitary time someone asks for Bibles? Surely he has the money already. And he was supposed to give more financial information and he hasn’t.
The subject of his TRULY firstborn, KRISTIE, (say her name, GG!!!) is just about diabolical. He wanted her aborted! He is truly diabolical!
Hi Sophia!
That is what scam artists do, they are like their love of money overrides any they have already accumulated. This is what Sister DeniseC found on NTEB:
She did a search on his site for “fundraising.” Look how many articles for each year have him asking for money:
Year
2023 (287)
2022 (470)
2021 (586)
2020 (769)
2019 (716)
That must have been exhausting for her. Sadly “donated money” is a Tax free Gift, thus he can spend it as he pleases.
Sad he would think to do, and treat his daughter in such manner.
Kristie reminds me of my relationship with my mom, real dad and step dads.
The best thing that I learned from them all is “What not to do as a parent” if we erase all the mistakes of our past and events we would erase our wisdom of the present.
I got saved at 30, and the events of my past have made me wise in the present.
Kristi, has done well with The Lord’s Help, and better off without a devil at her doorstep. I HATE ABORTION.
Ron, it didn’t take long to do a search at NTEB re: fundraising. I didn’t have to go article by article. It lists how many articles were written each year on that topic.
I just looked at my disqus comments a year ago, but some are gone, of course. The comment where I asked him about how the money is managed and his response, telling me there would be an article about it (LOL, yeah, right) are still in my archives. I feel like I should keep a counter going of how many days it’s been since he promised an accounting like he does with his ____days to flatten the curve sarcasm.
I also came across some comments I made defending you. GG said you and any who agreed with you (paraphrasing here) were of the devil and we were all led away from him by Satan. I don’t know if everyone reading this article knows how horribly he treated you and several others. He said he appreciated my comments until I defended you and (politely) questioned him. Then he deleted our comments, even though they were not offensive….doesn’t sound like the actions of a man with nothing to hide.
Grider thinks he has to answer to no one. He’s mistaken. He also attacks, zaps and bans the REAL Christians. Geoff is the one who being led by nose by satan.
All his podcasts are an amalgamation of his articles and the plagiarizing of other mens work.
Hi Born Again!
That is for sure, as I am fond of saying:
“His Day of Reckoning is Beckoning”
Which goes for the whole NW(D)O elites and all who follow them.
They shall not escape, nor will GG!
God Bless You Born Again!
Hi Denise!
Well it still took your time, but it is amazing how in all that time almost 3,000 times the word fundraising came up, about 20 times per year.
Never mind each NTEB article is saturated with adverts boasting of himself
( NTEB = GG ) and asking for money; by any, and many means.
He cannot stand on his own 2 feet in defense of himself.
I pointed out the Truths about the Issue, so did Skywatcher60 and some others and they got BANNED. The coward could not leave your comment there, his excuse of why he deleted and banned such was WEAK as can be, and LAME.
He used the 2 scriptures about me:
1. 2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2. 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
1. Well I am the chiefest of sinners, but my battle is mostly in my mind…..
Yet he even admitted he is taken captive of the devil many times and all is known in the public forum in St. Augustine, so by his own behaviors he deflects onto me and others what he is guilty of HIMSELF.
Anonymous — ‘When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.’
He didn’t make the right choice on this:
Proverbs 22:1 A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches,
and loving favour rather than silver and gold.
Geoffrey Chose silver and gold over a good name and over anything and everyone.
2. I am not Alexander, nor am I a coppersmith, the only person that has done Geoffrey Grider wrong IS HE HIMSELF.
Flatten The Curve! The manure just keeps getting higher and higher.
He should become a manure salesman, and he would be Filthy Rich.
God Bless You Denise!
Correction; about 200 Times per year, NOT 20 times!
As for Tillis, “Soul Trap” is a new age phrase. I’d stay far, far away from that man. He ordained his Buddy, GG in hopes that he (Tillis) would get more views. Scratching each other’s backs.
Hey Tillis, Grady, and Bell!! Do you really want your name associated with this sociopath??
I just looked and it seems he’s choosing to completely ignore his firstborn and go on business as usual. Over 100 in his chat. All still kissing the ground he walks on, Lori still posting ways to give, he has those people mesmerized. It’s SICKENING!
How does that church allow this scumbag to be their interim “Pastor”??????
Bless you, Kristie.
Geoff was ordained by creepy Joel Tillis. Geoff badly wanted a church to pastor. He attempted to do so at 14 1/2 Bernard St. in St. Augustine but was unsuccessful. He actively sought and found Bethany Baptist that had need of a pastor and he somehow wormed his way in. It would be terrific if there is someone who knows the truth about Geoffrey Scott Grider could go to Bethany and pass written information out to the few congregants.
Geoff has been kicked out of small local churches he has attended because he actively seduced married women. Geoffrey Scott Grider is a grifter and a sexual predator. He is skilled at taking over and controlling all incoming information that Bethany, NTEB and everywhere he goes. He must get exhausted from having to look over his shoulder all the time. There are so many leaks now, I don’s see how he’s not yet sunk.
He’s successfully taken enough money that even if everything goes to rot, he’ll be able to live out his days. Somehow he’s convinced people that if they don’t give to him, they aren’t doing anything for The Lord. Not true. Geoff takes money from those who can ill afford it.
I pray the pain he’s inflicted on Kristie, he will now shoulder ten fold for the rest of his miserable life. Piece of work, that dude.
Born again, Greedy Grider can be exposed soooo easily by Kristie! She only needs to find a way to call in “for prayer” and then publicly state, “Dad, why don’t you want to acknowledge me as your daughter?” She’d be informing a lot of his audience, and hopefully raising more eyebrows, and causing them to walk away from him…Just a thought. If she can’t do that, then she can call the pastors of the churches who defend him….
Jesus said, “Ye have not, because ye ask not.”
Skywatcher60, I’ve got a better idea – and it’s one of Geoff’s favorites!
GIANT billboard in St. Augustine!
If she calls in, let me know! I’ll need to be listening! Lol
“I’m sorry you’re going through this. FIRST NAME ONLY.” SICK!!!!!!!
Don’t forget the, ‘you need to learn how to communicate with me without getting mad’.
Excuse me?
Another ‘my way or the highway’ attitude. Saying Geoff is a narcissist is not only true, but a gross understatement. I’m not sure there is a definition (yet) that fully describes that viper.
And, as if Kristie has no reason to be upset – I’m upset!
One good thing that has come of this is . . . Kristie has true believers who lift her up in prayer on a daily basis.
Born Again,
That would be great if someone would contact Bethany Church. They need to know what is up in their pulpit.
Yes they do. They absolutely do. They’d be better off alone with their Bibles.
I just thought of something, GG calls Lori’s kids his (he hasn’t adopted them) and STILL wouldn’t acknowledge KRISTIE!!!!!!!
SAY HER NAME!!!!!!!!
No formal adoption of those that aren’t his, and no acknowledgement of one who is.
What kind of upside down backwards thinking is that?
Dear Kristie,
I’m so very sorry for what you have endured. GG has shamefully treated you when he should have loved you, done everything he could to nurture you and most of all cared for your soul. The fact that he cared nothing for the salvation of his own daughter speaks to the depth of his depravity.
One thing about narcissists is that they do not change unless they have true conviction from God and ask him to do some major transforming of their heart. Just keep doing what you have done and not expect anything from him. He’s only going to give you heartbreak for all the love you want to show. It’s hard not to have an earthly father, but if you let him, God can be even more of a father than any man ever could.
Man tends to have trouble in 3 areas – gold, girls and glory. GG has an unsatiated lust for all 3. One thing I noticed reading all of the WP and NTEB articles from last years was that never one time did GG ever address the issue of 250K in back taxes. When I asked one of his ardent supporters about it, they wouldn’t answer. Just kept attacking me…following their leader I guess. I guess GG holds himself higher than Jesus since Jesus paid his taxes but GG doesn’t think he needs to.
Truly feel sorry for anyone who reads this article and still follows him.
These people in these circles have no qualms about going into absurd amounts of debt. They are always robbing Peter to pay Paul while always taking plenty off of the top for themselves. I’ve even heard a few in Grider’s IFB circle actually say that it’s okay to go into debt. It’s just a lucrative career for these people.
That new place is 1865 wouldn’t the St. Augustine Historical Society and the town have something to say about his alterations for the new Store?
Beats me, wouldn’t know anything about that.
You’d think – highly unlikely Geoff would check first, much less do as required.
Built in 1865 he said so right in his video you have.
RFJ, about those back taxes, I think that’s why he rented instead of owned all those years so the IRS couldn’t get his house. Conveniently, Lori Ann moves into his condo for 8 months, moves out like a month or two later and buys a house, and GG then marries HER and moves into HER house. He got him a house without worrying about the IRS. So slick.
Good catch DRS.
More proof of his scheming and scamming, dishonest to the core.
God Bless You DRS!
And of course his name isn’t on the deed but if the IRS wants to find him, they can. I thought I saw that he still owed taxes….. I would have to look that up….
That’s exactly what he did DRS!
All with NTEB DONORS MONEY.
Does anyone know if Grider has responded or admitted Kristie as his daughter to his followers? I had to listen again to Kristie’s video and I’m in tears!
As far as I know, GG isn’t aware or is not commenting. I’ve check his website and saw nothing on the matter. It’s so sad for his eldest daughter. If she is saved, she has a Heavenly Father that loves her…. GG is a dead beat. Just like him to “block” her at the end of that text because he’s such a narcissist. He hates it when he is wrong, not in the limelight, not being number 1, not in control, not on top, etc.
I’ve listened to a couple of his messages recently to see what he has been preaching and it’s a soup up mess. Even the interviews between him and Joe Tillis are crazy. Neither one really answers the questions that people ask them. It’s all wishy-washy.
I wouldn’t be surprised if GG try’s to change the name of the church in the future to NTEB. Why? Because he is posting everything under NTEB on sermon audio and everywhere else. Even broadcasting on the screen NTEB instead of saying the church name.
All about him and his needs……
You have a stronger stomach than I do, SB2…I can’t even stand to hear his voice! I am sure he knows exactly what is going on. One of his henchmen would surely have reported it to him. From the looks of it, GG appears to have chosen to ignore the whole situation and pretend it does not exist. This makes it all the more apparent in my opinion that these things are true because he is not defending any of it. Geoff Grider has done much damage to the body of Christ, and Lori is no innocent person here, either. She is just as guilty as he is. The whole thing is sickening.
I can’t stand his voice nor his crazy slow explanations so I put it on high speed just to get through and see what’s being said. lol
At first I felt sorry for Lori thinking maybe she got suckered into his “smooth talking” but she married him. Such a big difference in their age. So I thought she was naïve to his ways. The more I see and hear what’s going on, the more I’m convinced she’s helping in all this.
SB2, Lori Ann was warned by Geri U. Lori Ann was suckered into nothing. She worked as a Bookkeeper prior to running the bookstore. She likely knows ‘how’ to cook the books. Bare minimum, as soon as she began working for him, she could assess what Geoff was doing. She stayed there. She married him. She IS complicit in all the evil deeds. Full stop.
At some point, if anyone goes to jail, it’ll be her. Geoff is slick like an eel. He’ll somehow skirt the charges by laying it all on her. Geoff ‘sniffed out’ Lori Ann, ‘marked her’ and, it was then – game on!
Lori Ann is a an IDIOT.
Hi Born Again!
As my Pastor says on marriage and I do too, do not be unequally yoked….
yet they say: “But I love him”, or “I love her”; skirting the most important issue of all. and divorce is just around the corner before the ink on the marriage license is dry.
Never mind wolves love lamb chops too.
God Bless You Born Again!
Melinda, I’ve been crying too. I’ve actually lost much sleep over it as well – I am so upset!
Precious Kristie. I pray for her multiple times a day. That’s all I can do, and yet – that is everything.
No one on earth deserves to have inflicted on them what she has endured. Praise God she has fought and risen above it all. May God bless that woman!
I haven’t listened to or watched all of the article yet; he can add up money; no doubt, yet not numbers!
04 + 08 + 24 = 18? It does not equal 18 and from that he derives 666, that would be true if it was in fact 18, since 18 is the sum of 6 + 6 + 6, but that sum above is 36 and people buy these into these lies.
Must be new math they teach in the public fools system:
4 + 8 + 24 = 36
I’m thinking he is adding 24 separately which the whole thing is stupid anyway. How is any of this help me in the walk with the Lord? It doesn’t and it’s all vain babblings.
Hi SB2!
I realize that now, but like you said how is that going to help us, God already told us what to look for, and all of it is screaming the rapture is near.
God Bless You SB2!
Ron, it’s called Common Core Math and you have to twist yourself into a pretzel to believe it.
I laughed out loud on that one! Hahahaha
Hi Born Again!
Obviously they removed the common sense from it!
The ages of the Patriarchs have more meaning than that date does.
God Bless You Born Again!
I just left a post at NTEB telling Geoff’s readers to come here and read what his daughter has to say about her papa. I really hope a few folk’s see’s the message before Geoff takes it down and bands me once again.
I hope so too. Geoff has spoken many times over the years about main stream media censoring the truth and the need to follow correct news sources. Ironic don’t you think?
I really dislike Geoff; he is nothing but a Hugh con man and nothing more. I really hope God brings him down before the rapture so we can have the privilege of watching him sink!
Cary, I just looked at the comments of his latest two articles, and there’s nothing there from you…unless you commented somewhere else?
I don’t like clicking on his articles because I think he gets money for every click, but I was hoping so much that at least some of his followers would wake up.
He has so many people still fooled. One person in particular practically worships him. This person threw Ron under the bus and stayed true to GG. Ron gave so much to the people there, praying for them, counseling them, and sharing his own personal trials.
I got banned for asking questions and was promised a full accounting of the finances, which never happened. He just shut down the voices of those asking.
Thanks for trying.
I wonder if Geri U has picked up this article yet?
Denise it was on his latest article, so that tells me he took it down and I am probably ban again.
I followed Geoff for years I gave lots of hard-earned cash to him, thank GOD I woke up when Jacob ran that first article. Yea Shannon and David Brooks and Angel they all think Geoff can do no wrong, I just don’t understand some people, all I know is I want to see Geoff go down big time before the rapture.
Cary,
I would bet he knows about this new article and has been watching his comment section like a hawk. Can’t have that money drying up, now can he?
The people still there might be good at heart, but they have no discernment. Do they really believe that SO MANY who used to post there all the time are no longer there? I would list names, but I’m sure I’d forget a few. When someone did ask what happened to Ron, et. al., Geoff said he was being influenced by the devil by even questioning GG. They must have believed it because they stayed true to Geoff and abandoned the rest of us. As Bee said, GG complained about MSM censorship, but does the same thing on his site. I guess as long as he keeps tickling ears, they will stay with him. They can be so “proud” that they are giving bibles to prisoners and don’t even do the math of what he SAYS it costs and what he’s pocketing.
Sad.
Cary, same here. Many people were deceived by that man, and he needs to be called out and stopped. Romans 16:17-18 – Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. The Bible clearly says to mark them and stay away from them. People must be warned; therefore, it is important to talk to one another about those who are not teaching sound doctrine, but serving their own bellies. Paul says this about belly worshippers: Philippians 3:18-19: For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. Ruckman put it well in one of his commentaries saying their motives are self-support, self-inflation, self-esteem, self-promotion, and self-advantage.
Hi Cary! I’ve been following this thread and the goings on with GG for a year. I quit listening to his broadcasts when he detailed his conversation with God about buying a firearm. He said that God said to him, “haven’t I taken care of you all these years?” (Paraphrase). The conversation he detailed was quite involved. Right then I thought, perhaps Lori didn’t want a firearm in the house with children, which is fine, just be honest about it.
At this point, I think we’d all be wise to follow Proverbs 24:17. “Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, And let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: Lest the Lord see it, and it displeases Him, And He turn away His wrath from him.”
This is a tall order, which I’ve had to work on. I’ve been in enough “name it and claim it” churches to see when it rears its ugly head and have learned to avoid those “churches”. Personally, I struggle not to find glee when my enemy falleth. We’re all a work in progress. (I’ve since tried to find that podcast but to no avail.)
Anonymous=Nat. My comment posted before having a chance to fill out my info.
Good point Nat. Yes, I too have struggled with what the Germans call “schadenfreude” but, I agree that I need to lean into God’s directive of Proverbs 24:17. One one hand, I want those who would aspire to the ministry to show godly character and not mislead the flock but on the other hand, I struggle with “to rejoice not” in my own sin nature. The Bible tells us what to strive for, thanks be to God.
2 Corinthians 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having righteous indignation and wanting vengeance. The issue in Proverbs 24:17 is that of pride and envy, and not giving God the glory for when judgment comes and reveling in yourself. Read Psalms 58 and 91 for examples. There are a number of false prophets I want God to stop and I am happy when I see these false teachers get exposed and fall because that means less people will get fleeced and deceived, but I am not going to throw a party either. Hope that makes sense.
When did Grider say that? That’s absurd. “God” would never tell him that. Jesus told his disciples to sell their possessions to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38).
Amen, Jacob.
On a different note, GSG choses a very small smattering of verses and dismisses those he doesn’t like (rather that listen to what He says) . . .
Born Again,
I wonder what verse he used when telling women that they were his “spiritual wife.”
Book ‘ME’, chapter and verse 1:1
I had heard that rumor! When did he say this?
SB2, it was from the article Jacob wrote a year ago, in the section where he was talking about the women GG seduced:
“At any rate, this married woman in particular told me that Grider tried to entice her into submitting to him, claiming it would be a “spiritual marriage” honored by God; and that defines who your husband is, so they could have a sexual relationship and it was perfectly fine, Grider told this woman.”
Jacob, it was awhile ago. He said a friend had one and that he (Geoff) was contemplating purchasing one. That’s when he had this conversation with God. It was a podcast. I posted,”Wow!! What a conversation!” I suppose they felt I was out of line with my comment, but I wanted it to be known that at least I wasn’t buying what they were selling. Then kitty posted….”uh-oh”, almost as if she thought i was starting something. I knew then it was time to exit. When in doubt, refer to John 10. It saved me out of alot of apostate churches. I calls ’em as I sees ’em. I’ve always said, don’t mess with my faith!
Okay, thanks.
Yeah, it does make sense. It is further clarity to what Nat brought up and I have wondered about. It is great to have righteous Christian fellowship as we go through life experiences and try to make sense of things. Thanks for taking the time to bring some scriptures to bear concerning the balance we should try to keep as believers. I thank God for the help you have given all of us.
Much appreciated!
Romans 16:17-20 KJV “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”
“For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”
“For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.”
“And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.”
Mark 6:11 KJV “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.”
Matthew 10:14-15 KJV “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”
“Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.”
Romans 12:16-19 KJV “Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.”
“Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.”
“If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”
“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”
Romans 14:12 KJV “So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
Proverbs 6:19 KJV “A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.”
Ephesians 4:29-32 KJV “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”
“Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:”
“And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.”
Colossians 4:5-6 KJV “Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.”
“Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.”
Titus 1:6-13 KJV 6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
1 Peter 4::16-17 KJV 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
2 Peter 2:20 KJV 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Luke 9:57-62 KJV 57 And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Colossians 3:1-4 KJV 3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Philippians 3:7-21 KJV 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Hebrews 12:1-3 KJV 12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
It’s patently clear why NTEB has a policy of chat board participants not being allowed to exchange contact information.
1) He’s paranoid and doesn’t want people ‘comparing notes’.
2) He never wanted the truth about his life coming out.
Too late! More people than I can count had questions and reservations about Geoff for a long, long time. They knew, in short order, things were ‘off’ but couldn’t quite put their finger on it. These same people did their own investigative work and found differing ugly pieces of information.
Then, the expose’ that came out one year ago not only validated what was found, but expounded further proving the concerns were not only founded, but much, much worse than originally thought.
Comments on that expose’ raised yet more questions.
Enter this article. Kristie refused to allow her sperm donor, Geoffrey Scott Grider, to continue to deny her. Well done, Kristie! God Bless you, sweetheart.
So now we know why control freak Geoff doesn’t want people exchanging contact information.
People who lie, seek to deceive, are not of God the Father, but of satan.
Janette Carter, especially, should feel like a FOOL.
Proverbs 17:4 A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue.
Liars love being lied to.
Prayers for poor Kristie, and everything she is going through, that Our Lord be with her, and comfort and strength her during these difficult times she’s going through!
Psalm 23:1-6 KJV 23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
Jeremiah 1:8 KJV 8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the Lord.
Psalm 34:4 KJV “I sought the LORD, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.”
Psalm 18:17-19 KJV 17 He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me.
18 They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the Lord was my stay.
19 He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
NTEB chat board is open 24/7/365.
ON the chat board!
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Guest Timothy
15:44Did you all know that Geoffrey has a daughter he’s been hiding from the world? https://winepressnews.com/2024/08/07/exclusive-geoffrey-grider-of-now-the-end-begins-illegitimate-daughter-speaks-out-after-decades-of-neglect-as-pastors-run-to-defend-him/
ZAPPED! But it was up for 1 hr and 23 minutes!
GOOD JOB Guest Timothy!
yes, great job guest timothy! my post did not stay up long either.
Well . . . they have to sleep sometimes – there are lots more hours!
well, I am Bann, or else I would be posting lots for all to see over at NTEB.
Anybody have a Facebook account so they can post story link here? https://www.facebook.com/bethanybaptiststaug/?_rdr
I think GG has control over that and you’ll get nowhere. I remember looking at if before when I first heard he was there and there was NOTHING on it. I believe it is him posting.
SB2, yes. GSG established the site, maintains it, and likes his own posts under the church name, and his name.
However . . . some of the congregants may peruse the site and see it. We only need one – to get the word out to the others.
And Shannon from NTEB would blast this article saying “It’s just gossiping!” Like she did on a previous article about GG. She knows he’s a sexual predator and just shuts up about it. Absolutely stupid woman she is…..
Perhaps she is one of the women who GSG successfully seduced. Makes one wonder.
The willingness of some of these people to totally ignore open sin is beyond me. How can you call yourself a “Bible Believer”? GG destroyed his testimony living with an unmarried woman for months on end and then acting like it was an emergency. Letting someone stay in your house for a week or so is an emergency – 7-8 months is a choice. But who cares about testimony? Just keep giving $$ and don’t dare ask to see the books or how much is actually going where. Just keeping giving because we’re “laying up rewards at the judgment seat of Christ”.
Actually you’re not. All those people who gave sacrificially to your ministry because they loved the Lord – they are the ones earning rewards. When you mishandle God’s money you get nothing. From comments on the other articles it makes you question how you pay for a new studio, rent your apartment and business in the most expensive part of town and buy a new Jeep with cash when you’re just living off of a side business you run & are constantly begging for money and having to “step out by faith” to send Bibles. Answer -there’s no faith involved. It’s all a con.
GG needs to stop preaching prophecy. You read the headlines and it’s the same things over and over. How many podcasts can you do on what the AC is going to be like? How about teaching living a clean life? You know, where it says “to obey is better than sacrifice”. Don’t remember anywhere in the Bible where is say if you love me give me money (although that is one way to show your devotion). Seems like it said “if ye love me, keep my commandments”.
RFJ, don’t forget about this deceptive fundraiser . . .
https://www.gofundme.com/f/fundraiser-to-move-lori-kids-to-florida
“Monies raised here will go to travel expenses, and securing a place to live.” <—LIE
Everything 'they' do is with malice and forethought. Nothing has changed on that front.
Wow, poor, sweet Gary Patterson gave $1500 to this move and “securing a place to live”. Gary, if you’re reading this, you ought to sue for the money back since the secure place to live was under her sugar daddy’s roof. Whoops, I mean her spiritual husband’s roof. Nice payday for Bonnie & Clyde Grider though.
By the way, we don’t get given a “good time at the Judgement Seat of Christ” for donating to “ministries” or anything else. This is just a way for guys like Grider to make us feel the tingles when they grab our cash. Grace age believers already have all rewards and blessings stored up for us in heavenlies. Friends, let your joy rest in Him. There’s nothing more you can do to earn a single thing. All is ours in and through Christ.
Well said.
Jacob, have you talked to Kristie since publishing this article? If you do, please let her know that we love her and pray for her to heal from all the pain she has been through.
Yes, she is doing well and appreciates the support and prayers.
Great news!
Praise and Thank The Lord!
You got it!
Hi Aiden!
I Heard GG had helped her out financially one time, I would e-mail Shannon from time to time. When the first Winepress Article Broke, and I e-mailed her she went from nice to furious in a Nano-second with me asking why would I say such about him. I confronted David Brooks too, he said he would get to the bottom of it ( not much discernment ) and get back to me, never happened
He must have gotten into that hole, and was unable to get himself out.
Not too mention he likes posing videos of himself, and his new avatars of himself, even on a motorcycle he loves looking at himself.
GG as one’s husband has said, and so do I; he would make a great cult leader, and he is a scam artist ( he only uses the first 3 of 10 signs of a scam artist highly effectively! )
Many words were said thru family members of those who posted on NTEB that before that first article posted The Holy Spirit confirmed and convicted us the article was in fact true. He would never, and DID NOT EVER MONITOR NTEB, and the comments going on there in ( Hans and his FE and other people) yet once the news broke on him
it was ban anyone who so much as questioned him over a simple question BANNED.
Typical cult leader behavior. He doesn’t fear or even know The Lord based on his reactions to such and actions after the fact. He lied outright to DeniseC who I have known personally for a long time. He told her he would be transparent with all the funds he gets…… well in a way he wasn’t lying about that ( Just playing Sea Lawyer with his empty words and promises ) He said he would reveal them to us….. he just forgot to tell us it would be with TRANSPARENT INK. I always find it amazing how people will defend a person over God’s Words, citing forgiveness, yet neglect correction and Discipline.
God Bless You Aiden!
Ron, I noticed many others you weren’t fond of left the NTEB message board during all that mess from last year. Just ceased posting and never returned. Maybe those Christian brothers and sisters had more wisdom and discernment than they were given credit for.
Glad to hear that many more brethren have left! That’s some good news, thanks for sharing it! Agreed!
Many, many people were banned. One comment or just asking for clarification was enough to send you to “NTEB Hell”. They didn’t just “cease posting”.
Amen RFJ!
Banned to “NTEB Hell” just for questioning him, maybe the same will happen today over GG’s Israel 5.5 Quake which was really in Syria, many called him on it, no sorry, no admission of fault…. same old unrepentant Geoffrey.
God Bless You RFJ!
Hi BeachBum!
Who might they be?
Well if they did, good for them, no one needs to support the devil, and GG is a deceiver. The devil is a liar and the father of it, a lying tongue is God’s Second Hatred/Abomination since the devil’s pride was the first one, and the lie to Eve the second one.
God Bless You BeachBum!
Hi BeachBum!
They may have questioned GG about those issues, and got Banned as many have such as myself. I watched a conversation between DeniseC and GG where she questioned him, the next day those comments were gone, as one individual asked GG where I had went to….which is what DeniseC commented after and then GG scrubbed that person’s comment too.
That is not the sign of a Trustworthy person, then he gave some lame excuse for why he would not allow such comments to stand.
A con artist has to scrub all evidence that they have done improprieties.
God Bless You BeachBum!
So . . . you were just a messenger that got ‘shot’, Ron.
Hi Born Again!
I am used to it from the navy, I had a micro-managing incompetent weapons officer, who ruined our weapons department’s morale, so I would allow them to leave for the day and take the hit from the “weps” as we called him. That was the one thing many of the guys said to me in the torpedo room before I left, that they saw how much the weps abused me and them, and how I got shot for them.
It is living proof how much destruction one person can do. God got him and another that did such, after I got out…. Vengeance is Mine saith The Lord, and God truly showed me that as I could have gone to the Captain about both, but left it to God.
God Bless You Born Again!
I went back to the article from a year ago, scrolling and scrolling (over 1400 comments) to find something I’m wondering about. Adam and Katey had brought up the questionable site of Good Child Missions, and we all saw how the website for that “ministry” looked exactly like Geoff’s and even had the same language. I went to the site to see if it still exists, which it does. There is an article from July 25th of this year announcing that NTEB is sponsoring the Cup of Porridge program for the third year in a row…..YET on NTEB’s website there is NO article about it and the last mention of this program is from 8/3/23. Must not be as lucrative as Bibles Behind Bars, huh? He has an article about THAT every other day. And isn’t it funny that there are no other “sponsors” that Good Child Missions mentions, but there IS an article about getting free bibles to them.
Just look at how they go on and on about how wonderful NTEB and GG and Lori are:
Now The End Begins Family To Sponsor Our Cup Of Porridge Program For The Third Year.
We Are Thrilled To Express Our Deepest Gratitude To Now The End Begins Family For Their Unwavering Support To Our Cup Of Porridge Program, Designed To Enhance children’s Attendance And Attention Span During Sunday Services.
As we prepare to renew their sponsorship for the third year, we want to express our gratitude for the kindness and generosity of Now The End Begins. Since August 1st, 2022, they have been a crucial partner in our ministry, providing nourishment of delicious porridge to thousands of hungry children in Uganda every Sunday when they go to church. This program has grown significantly, from 1100 children in 2022 to over 2100 children today – a truly remarkable increase! We are thankful for NTEB’s ongoing support, which has enabled us to make a real and lasting impact in the lives of many. Their trust in our ministry and commitment to our shared values is truly appreciated.
And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. Acts 16:9 KJB
We Wish to extend our sincerest appreciation to Pastor Geoffrey Grider, Lori Grider, and the entire NTEBers’ Family which I am a part for your selfless support. May God bless you all abundantly, and may your example inspire others to follow in your footsteps.
As Now The End Begins prepare to renew their sponsorship, we invite you to pray for our efforts and these children that the Lord has placed in our care that we will protect them and keep them safe in the name of the Father, The Son and The Holly spirit because the devil seeks to steal them. By doing so, you will also be contributing to the continuation of “The Cup of Porridge” program. If you’re inspired by NTEB’s generosity and want to learn more about their ministry, please visit their official website at NowTheEndBegins.com Let us come together to preach the gospel of salvation to all who are lost in any possible way we can
Denise and Born Again,
Something definitely fishy about the Irad/GSG connection, that’s for sure. But then again, anyone and anything connected to GSG is questionable. If Irad is who he presents himself to be, he’s compromised. I’m just grateful the Lord has given all of us here enough discernment to get away from that highly toxic situation. We both have experience with narc parents, and it is quite a sad experience for poor Kristie to have gone through. Ultimately though, she’s far better off without someone like him in her life. They only cause misery and destruction. Praying for her continued healing!
I don’t know Irad and have never heard him speak, but I can’t believe he wrote that post. It’s too perfect for one who’s first language isn’t English. I know it’s GG. He is reprehensible and should be investigated for fraud.
Yes, we should continue to pray for Kristie. I agree that she is better off without GG. His loss.
Denise C, you can go to Irad’s youtube page and listen to him speak and sing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7rfTxjMO40
That’s just one of his songs.
GSG has attempted to feign Irad’s speech and cadence, but he fails – at that too.
Geoffrey Scott Grider is not worthy of Kristie. She soars, while he continues to flounder. Don’t forget about what she said – Geoff is INCOMPETENT (among other things).
Born Again,
I went to the YouTube videos, and I didn’t see Irad talking, only singing in the one and script written over the others, of course saying it was sponsored by NTEB. However, in the comments section “Irad” said, “To the fight!” which is a Griderism and it’s also on the website. Maybe Irad adopted GG’s saying, but I think GG has taken over his persona. It just doesn’t sit well with my spirit, which is why I went back to see if this ministry still existed. It’s like a shell company, though I hope it really is doing good. Like Jacob said a year ago, anyone can get stock photos of whatever they want. Maybe it’s like the bible behind bars program….charge people double what it really costs and pocket the rest?
Denise C., how interesting! You, my dear, have solved the mystery! To confirm, I went through my past e-mails to find the song I requested he record for me many years ago, and lo and behold, that account no longer exists! When he recorded that song, it was before NTEB copped his ministry. Irad’s ministry was called “Smile of a Child Charity Organization – SCCO”
If you click on his icon, which now says Good Child Missions, you’ll see more videos where you may hear him speak – or, it might be Geoff.
Also Denise C., the ‘hiding’ behind Bibles and children to line your own pockets is beyond the pale.
It ABSOLUTELY is NOT Irad – I have plenty of correspondence from Irad before Geoff entered the picture to prove it.
Adam & Katey,
I DO believe Irad has been compromised and that greatly saddens me.
As for Kristie being better off – no doubt about that. I’ve listened to her video several times.. At one point (and this was LONG AFTER Geoffrey Scott Grider claims to have professed salvation) he then speaks to Kristie’s mother about signing away his parental rights! A truly born again Christian that is a new creature in Jesus Christ would never do that. GSG also promised he’d send a large sum of money afterwards. (paraphrasing – go listen to her, again) At any rate, another lie, another broken promise. Geoffrey Scott Grider is STILL the biological father of Kristie S. no matter what ‘games’ he plays.
The lyrics of Papa Was A Rollin’ Stone by The Temptations encapsulates Geoffrey Scott Grider to a ‘T’. Here’s a snippet for those unfamiliar with the song:
Hey Momma!
Is it true what they say that Papa never worked a day in his life
And Momma, some bad talk goin’ round town sayin’ that
Papa had three outside children
And another wife, and that ain’t right
Heard some talk Papa doing some storefront preachin’
Talking about saving souls and all the time leechin’
Dealing in dirt, and stealing in the name of the Lord
Momma just hung her head and said
Papa was a rolling stone (my son)
Wherever he laid his hat was his home
And when he died, all he left us was alone
The comments where we discussed Good Child Ministries on Jacob’s first article about GG are on the 3rd page of comments, Sept. 17-22 of last year.
Denise, it is my belief GSG hi-jacked Irad’s ministry. All of it now is an exact duplicate of NTEB.
Born Again,
As we all said last year, the site is almost word-for-word like NTEB. I read more comments we all made, and it was still in discussion through the end of Sept., not the 22nd.
I saw where you had said Iran’s ministry was named something else, so I think you’re right about GG high-jacking it.
Why, though, wouldn’t GG mention this ministry on NTEB to get more “donations” for the Cup of Porridge? Fishy.
He does!
Here’s an interesting tid-bit for you. Just the other day, Irad came in and apologized for not being there in awhile.
NOTE: Irad was there (as imposter Geoff two podcasts earlier. And boy was he begging for dough!
Born Again,
Wow. Just wow.
That is correct, Denise. A completely different name AND contact information.
In light of the fact Irad sports around in a vehicle with NTEB advertising on it (in Uganda!), that leads me believe Irad likely thought the assistance he was going to get was on the up and up, but found out different, then became ‘o.k’ with it because Geoff was filtering to Irad more than he would have raised on his own, and GSG keeps the excess. Say what you will about Geoffrey Scott Grider, but he is an excellent marketeer. When Irad was doing it all himself, there was no need for a car, no children to sponsor, and only 100 children on the Porridge Program.
Irad is young, still. About 28. Geoff has been conning and scamming for decades now. For Geoff, Irad was easy pickings and he likely doesn’t know how to dis-associate and untangle himself.
A cursory search on the internet showed that the majority of mega rich ‘pastors’ are in fact, in Africa! Was Irad bitten by that bug?
Any any rate, it’s looking to me like we have birds of a feather, here. Irad has clearly been co-opted. The only question is . . . was it willingly?
This grider person sounds like a conman and a dead beat father to ignore his child like that.
Tim, he’s a deadbeat – period. Liens of a cool quarter million too.
KRISTIE THIS IS FOR YOU: She is clothed in Strength and Dignity and she Laughs without fear of the future. Proverbs 31:25