The following report is by the Associated Press:
Pope Francis criticized laws that criminalize homosexuality as “unjust,” saying God loves all his children just as they are and called on Catholic bishops who support the laws to welcome LGBTQ people into the church.
“Being homosexual isn’t a crime,” Francis said during an exclusive interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.
Francis acknowledged that Catholic bishops in some parts of the world support laws that criminalize homosexuality or discriminate against LGBTQ people, and he himself referred to the issue in terms of “sin.” But he attributed such attitudes to cultural backgrounds, and said bishops in particular need to undergo a process of change to recognize the dignity of everyone.
“These bishops have to have a process of conversion,” he said, adding that they should apply “tenderness, please, as God has for each one of us.”
Francis’ comments, which were hailed by gay rights advocates as a milestone, are the first uttered by a pope about such laws. But they are also consistent with his overall approach to LGBTQ people and belief that the Catholic Church should welcome everyone and not discriminate.
Some 67 countries or jurisdictions worldwide criminalize consensual same-sex sexual activity, 11 of which can or do impose the death penalty, according to The Human Dignity Trust, which works to end such laws. Experts say even where the laws are not enforced, they contribute to harassment, stigmatization and violence against LGBTQ people.
In the U.S., more than a dozen states still have anti-sodomy laws on the books, despite a 2003 Supreme Court ruling declaring them unconstitutional. Gay rights advocates say the antiquated laws are used to justify harassment, and point to new legislation, such as the “Don’t say gay” law in Florida, which forbids instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in kindergarten through third grade, as evidence of continued efforts to marginalize LGBTQ people.
The United Nations has repeatedly called for an end to laws criminalizing homosexuality outright, saying they violate rights to privacy and freedom from discrimination and are a breach of countries’ obligations under international law to protect the human rights of all people, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
Declaring such laws “unjust,” Francis said the Catholic Church can and should work to put an end to them. “It must do this. It must do this,” he said.
Francis quoted the Catechism of the Catholic Church in saying gay people must be welcomed and respected, and should not be marginalized or discriminated against.
We are all children of God, and God loves us as we are and for the strength that each of us fights for our dignity.
Francis said, speaking to the AP in the Vatican hotel where he lives.
Francis’ remarks come ahead of a trip to Africa, where such laws are common, as they are in the Middle East. Many date from British colonial times or are inspired by Islamic law. Some Catholic bishops have strongly upheld them as consistent with Vatican teaching, while others have called for them to be overturned as a violation of basic human dignity.
In 2019, Francis had been expected to issue a statement opposing criminalization of homosexuality during a meeting with human rights groups that conducted research into the effects of such laws and so-called “conversion therapies.”
In the end, after word of the audience leaked, the pope didn’t meet with the groups. Instead, the Vatican No. 2 did and reaffirmed “the dignity of every human person and against every form of violence.”
There was no indication that Francis spoke out about such laws now because his more conservative predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, recently died. The issue had never been raised in an interview, but Francis willingly responded, citing even the statistics about the number of countries where homosexuality is criminalized.
On Tuesday, Francis said there needed to be a distinction between a crime and a sin with regard to homosexuality. Church teaching holds that homosexual acts are sinful, or “intrinsically disordered,” but that gay people must be treated with dignity and respect.
Bantering with himself, Francis articulated the position:
It’s not a crime. Yes, but it’s a sin. Fine, but first let’s distinguish between a sin and a crime.
It’s also a sin to lack charity with one another.
Francis has not changed the church’s teaching, which has long riled gay Catholics. But he has made reaching out to LGBTQ people a hallmark of his papacy.
The pope’s comments didn’t specifically address transgender or nonbinary people, just homosexuality, but advocates of greater LGBTQ inclusion in the Catholic Church hailed the pope’s comments as a momentous advance.
His historic statement should send a message to world leaders and millions of Catholics around the world: LGBTQ people deserve to live in a world without violence and condemnation, and more kindness and understanding.
Said Sarah Kate Ellis, president and CEO of the U.S.-based advocacy group GLAAD.
New Ways Ministry, a Catholic LGBTQ advocacy group, said the church hierarchy’s silence on such laws until now had had devastating effects, perpetuating such policies and fueling violent rhetoric against LGBTQ people.
The pope is reminding the church that the way people treat one another in the social world is of much greater moral importance than what people may possibly do in the privacy of a bedroom.
The group’s executive director, Francis DeBernardo, said in a statement.
One of the cardinals recently appointed by the pope – Robert McElroy, the bishop of San Diego — is among those Catholics who would like the church to go further, and fully welcome LGBTQ people into the church even if they are sexually active.
It is a demonic mystery of the human soul why so many men and women have a profound and visceral animus toward members of the L.G.B.T. communities. The church’s primary witness in the face of this bigotry must be one of embrace rather than distance or condemnation.
McElroy wrote Tuesday in the Jesuit magazine America.
Starting with his famous 2013 declaration, “Who am I to judge?” — when he was asked about a purportedly gay priest — Francis has gone on to minister repeatedly and publicly to the gay and transgender communities. As archbishop of Buenos Aires, he favored granting legal protections to same-sex couples as an alternative to endorsing gay marriage, which Catholic doctrine forbids.
Despite such outreach, Francis was criticized by the Catholic gay community for a 2021 decree from the Vatican’s doctrine office that said the church cannot bless same-sex unions.
In 2008, the Vatican declined to sign onto a U.N. declaration that called for the decriminalization of homosexuality, complaining the text went beyond the original scope. In a statement at the time, the Vatican urged countries to avoid “unjust discrimination” against gay people and end penalties against them.
AUTHOR COMMENTARY
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Proverbs 17:15
What else is new from this pajama-wearing demoniac, who is the puppet figure for the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Whole Earth (Revelation 17:5)?
So, apparently sodomy is a sin, but it’s not crime? Nice sophistry there. It goes without saying, but sin is equated with being a crime:
[18] Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. [19] For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. [20] Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: [21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 5:18-21
[7] Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? [8] Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? [9] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? [10] Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. (1 Corinthians 9:7-10).
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Dont forget the lie:
“We are all children of God, and God loves us as we are”
There is requierments.
Must be born again:
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1:12 KJV
You must be led by the spirit:
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans 8:14 KJV
And have sanctification:
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12:7-8 KJV
Worldly cant know him:
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1 John 3:1 KJV
Amen, Fredrik. As in the days of Noe & Lot, and so obviously pagan idolatrous humanist: fighting for OUR dignity, for OUR rights…blah, blah, blah. Nothing of the Lord & his word save to slander or to twist it into serpentine ‘gnosis’ for those of the flattered & seduced, defiled & degraded ‘elect’ & ‘initiated’…advancing ‘degrees’!
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Currently reading Pollard’s “Records of the English Bible”, copyright of 1911, when even the Romish-friendly idolatrous humanist scholars were far more truth-bound than they are today because so much evident truth was still accessible & history fresh & remembered. It’s amazing to see the same selective sin-indulging, incrimination & terminology….and gradual redefining, subtly lying, political intrigues & such, lies & slander…. still used so effectively.
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The great explosion of knowledge & freedom which the printing press aided & allowed was repeated with the internet & web, but due to sin that medium was used to evil & seized to the use of evil from man’s point of view, a sorting trial working to the good of those who love the Lord, to the called according to his purpose. The books of Daniel & Ecclesiastes speaking to that, as well as Colossians, the exhortations of the Lord to the leading Jewish leaders.
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I believe that the flood released from the mouth of the dragon in Revelation 12 will be somehow fulfilled literally, but that it’s also a culminating picture & type of the flood of lies emanating from that same source, though yet invisible as all the spiritual realm in the main & up to that terrible time of Jacob’s trouble & Daniel’s 70th week coming when it, & the war, will be visible. That old father of lies.
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They called honest translation ‘uncharitable’ and ‘partisan’ etc, & were calling for the dishonest translation of ‘congregation’ as ‘church’, ‘elder’ as ‘priest’, ‘grace’ as ‘favour’, ‘knowledge’ as ‘confession’, ‘charity’ as ‘love’, ‘repentance’ as ‘penance’ for the sake of ‘unity’, ‘peace’, and ‘love/charity’.
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The same doctrines & sophist arguments appealing to sin were used then as now.
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The intrigues & high-jackings were so many! Men like Joye posing as a friend to the translation cause & purposely mistranslating those terms in Tyndale’s translation. The early machinations of the Jesuits & release of the Douay-Rheims, giving their dupes the ‘right’ to read their corrupted per-version of the word of God, seeking to pre-empt the 1611 with their 1610 release.
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The miracle of the fulfillment of Psalm 12 up through the seven purifications is marked by many infallible proofs within & without the word, which Rome & her spirit, & all directed by & serving them….knowingly & consciously or not, work with all their will & might to erase.
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And God permitting & giving men over as they turn from truth, coarsen their own consciences, & make themselves enemies of God to the current mess of confusion & vileness we see today so like Rome at her worst: falling back to vomit & wallows, certain men of old crept in & turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness. Still mainly consequential judgment, though more terrible & direct to the culmination of this age coming.
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Ignatian ‘contemplation’ & disciplines, the antichrist ‘goddess’ thing, physical, as well as spiritual, drunkenness opening doors of souls to lying, seducing spirits like the same practice called ‘transcendental meditation’….the mind-altering practices & substances of the shamans: all receiving the same manifestations & unbiblical, antichrist ‘message’ as all the cults of men & devils from that of those calling down ‘alien’ influences by ‘collective meditation’ & ‘positive, higher vibrations’ …. to those supposedly talking to angels & ‘goddess/Queen of Heaven’ apparitions, practicing necromancy, etc.
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The curse of Zechariah 5…backed by second witnesses of 1 Kings 22, 2 Chronicles 18, 2 Thessalonians 2 etc. … making Rome truly, & more obviously, the habitation of devils, the hold of every foul spirit, & a cage of every unclean & hateful bird.
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Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
That bathrobe wearing Antichrist with his kiss-and-make-me-boogie ring has also lessened the penalty on priests caught molesting children. His damnation is so just as well as Arturo Sosa the real pope who runs Mystery Babylon’s satanic empire.
Fasten your seatbelts, brethren, the ride is going to get bumpy!
Who are the children of God?
Galatians 3:26 – For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
They twist the passage of Acts 17, with Paul addressing the philosophers of Athens, teaching all men PHYSICALLY descended from Adam through Noah & his sons, & of one blood all nations, and apply it without the full doctrinal context to make all the children of God.
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It comes of the Jewish corruptions of Philo with the pagan philosophies & craft in Alexandria, then up through Clement & Origen to Augustine of Hippo & Eusebius, Jerome’s Vulgate (which wasn’t the old vulgar Latin received of the believers at all – but a subtle replacement based on Rome’s Augustinian and evolving tradition heresies). The Unitarians teach it & are just old Romish Babylonian in their idolatrous humanism, using the same arguments as Rome & pagans do, Romans 1 describes how they come to that.
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The so-called ‘Desert Fathers’ ascetics & mystics, ‘fathers’ of Rome, all practiced pagan techniques & disciplines opening themselves to devils & extra-biblical visions, experiences etc, drawing in also the witchy ‘wise’ & extra-pious women thing aping the vestal virgin, sacred prostitutes & ‘seers’ etc like all the pagans gone out from Babel, believing the seducing lies of the serpent of Genesis 3, romanticizing & idolizing the outcomes of Genesis 6 with the daughters of men (seduced & used as Eve…not going beyond to Eve being physical with the serpent & all of that added fleshly stuff) & the fallen sons of God. This they confound with the ‘honourable women not a few’ of Acts 17, & Mary Magdalene out of whom the Lord cast seven devils (the seven supposed ‘chakras’ of serpent wisdom ‘enlightenment’ etc aping & twisting the truth of Matthew 12 & Luke 11 concerning the self-‘transformed’ & self-worked, -crafted, etc) like the myths & legends of the ‘masters’ & the ‘merchandisers’….the dark Venetians, de Medici, & the Borgias etc: all coming into the so-called ‘West’ from the ‘East’, & with the Desert Fathers & icon/relic worshipping, gnosis/occult-knowledge collecting first at Alexandria, then moved to Rome…the ‘library’ (compare w/Acts 19 & the books of the curious arts of the Ephesians….& the Jesuit practice of gathering all occult knowledge to Rome) common to BOTH.
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Their rock not as our Rock. Their spirit different, their foundation different…
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More than one type of ‘sons of God’, biblically speaking, and only one Son of God (Daniel 4) & begotten Son of God (Gospels), the first of many sons of God in the sense of the circumcised of heart & new birth, with adoption into the body of Christ, with reference to the Son of Man, Kingdom aspect of Christ’s character & being, & of adoption into the family of God (Romans 8&9, Galatians 4).
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A body prepared for him (Hebrews 10), two senses there as well, as the Lamb & the bride, the first & second Adam (Romans 5, 1 Cor 15), & with marriage a picture (Ephesians4&5, Romans 12, 1 Cor 6, 1 Peter 2) …and we have to be careful not to add to or diminish from the word…else we can end up liars, & jut as deceived & as bad off as Rome & those joining themselves to her & of the same spirit. Taking his name in vain.
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Jesus warned it would be subtle. And the epistles of the Apostles, too.
Unitarian/Catholic pretty much synonymous terms.
You can’t stop them by having that lifestyle. But we can stop them from parading that lifestyle around in our faces.