Catherine Austin Fitts – an American investment banker and former public official who served as managing director of Dillon, Read & Co., and served as the Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Housing under the George H. W. Bush administration, and the founder of The Solari Report – called out former President Donald Trump for complicitly funding Covid programs that ultimately are for the goal of depopulation via the Covid vaccines; and that whoever becomes President, Trump or Biden, it will not make any real difference.
Fitts made these bold claims during an interview with Greg Hunter, host of USAWatchdog.com, roughly a year ago but is now getting fresh attention. The theme of the interview was the issue of tyranny. The whole interview can be viewed below:
Until more recently a particular segment of the interview has started to spread around, gaining more traction after James Hill, MD, on Substack highlighted this part of the interview.
During the discussion Hunter, who appeared to be a bit more sympathetic towards Trump and what he did during his administration, essentially acting as bulwark against the ‘new world order,’ but Fitts, appearing a bit irritated, cut Hunter off and said, [Trump] put $10 billion into a military program to depopulate Americans. Come on, Greg. I’m going to be a tough guy about this.”
The program she is referring to is Operation Warp Speed.
Hunter tried to find grace for Trump but Fitts was not buying it. Hunter said he did not believe that Trump knowingly would want to depopulate people, but did try to assert that Trump apparently knows that now, and that Trump was deceived, even though Hunter acknowledges that Trump has not come out and said this.
In response Fitts said:
There was one person who understood how dangerous vaccines are that was in political life. It was Donald Trump, because this was a big issue during the campaign. And he made a big issue about, you know, the dangers of vaccines. So he knows.
[…] And I said to people, you know, as soon as the virus started, or as soon as they claimed there was a virus, because I think it was more than one thing going on, I said, don’t worry about Covid, worry about the injection, don’t take the injection, whatever you do. So if I knew that in March 2020, I’m sure Trump knew that. So no, $10 billion – he put in charge of Operation Warp Speed someone who was head of research at a pharmaceutical company and his expertise was on brain-machine interface.Here’s the problem. You can say Trump was on board for a depopulation or Trump got rolled. Either one is not a very good case to be made that he ought to be president.
In response Hunter said, “I just can’t believe that he would say, sure, let’s kill millions of people.” But Fitts then argued then that just infers Trump is “incompetent” and not fit for President. “But go back, then you’re saying he’s incompetent, because if I knew what I knew, you know, don’t tell me I knew more than Trump,” Fitts argued.
Hunter eventually tried to then swing the debate back on the onus of just how bad President Joe Biden is, but once again Fitts took control of the argument and made the case that either one of them are no good for the U.S., and that neither one of them are in charge. “The president is not running the situation. The president is not in charge. That’s what you got to understand.”
She went on to argue that the Presidents simply just do the bidding of those in the ‘deep state’ and central bankers, because the people all want their “check,” and so ultimately they conform and play into whatever the media narrative is.
Everybody in America wants their check. And the way they get their check is to borrow more money and print more money. And so you’ve had a lot of popular support for the financial coup. And the reason is everybody wants their check now.
You put the president in charge, you hit the population with massive amounts of propaganda, disinformation, entrainment. Suddenly they’re screaming they want a vaccine, right? And you’re Trump and you feel cornered and squeezed by the fact that everybody wants their check. And the only way you can get their check is to be nice to the deep state and the central bankers. And the only way you can make them happy is to give them whatever the entrainment and TV has persuaded them they want.
[…] You had the president roll out something that in March 2020 I was sure was going to harm and kill millions of Americans, and he he either has two reasons for doing it: he’s incompetent or he is breaking the law. Which do you want?And I know what I would have done. I would never, you know, I would have taken a bullet in the head before I would implement a calling of the American population.
To further prove her point that the American government is wholly bought and paid-for, Fitts references an event in 2019 while Americans were fixated to whole Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh soap opera drama, she notes that during that process a bipartisan Senate and Congress passed a bill that allows the members to maintain off-the-books records from the public, allowing the government and media to legally no longer provide accurate data and figures; which Fitts wrote an article about for Solari.
In October 2019, when everybody in America was being entertained by the teenage sex life of the Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh, the House, the Senate, and the White House, Democrat and Republican, both sides of the aisle, got together and approved Statement 56 of the Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board, which said that they could keep secret books.
That was everybody together. Okay? So, there is no right versus left. There is no Trump versus Biden. There is a machine in control of a spending machine that is financed with our taxes and debt borrowed in our name, that is being sold into our pension funds and into our retirement accounts. There is that machine and that machine to keep balancing the books is implementing a depopulation plan. That is the reality that has to be faced and changing the president won’t matter.
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Gee whiz, if only more people were as bold as she is and told it how it is, especially professing Christians…
She also said in the interview: “You got to hold people accountable. You got to tell the truth and you got to hold people accountable. That’s the only way out of this.” -Amen, well said; but telling the truth has a price and it cuts deeply, so most just conform to the narrative; and then those same hypocrites wonder why they are constantly getting screwed over and robbed daily in broad daylight.
[3] Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him. [4] Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou? [5] Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man’s heart discerneth both time and judgment. [6] Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man is great upon him. Ecclesiastes 8:3-6
But kudos to her for telling it like it is, because it needs to be said. It really is fairly simple: either Trump knew what he was doing, and was complicit in carrying out the act; or he is just as incompetent as Biden, and is willfully ignorant to what is happening. Neither choice is a good outcome and disproves the notion that he is “fighting the deep state cabal, draining the swamp.” We of course know that Trump has regularly bragged about the vaccine, referring to himself as the “father of the vaccine” and claims the shots should be called the “trumpcine;” while also heckling his own followers for booing the vaccine, and looked Candace Owens right in the eye and said no one died from the vaccines. SEE: Donald Trump Responds To Alex Jones’ Plea To Stop Promoting The Covid Vaccines. Trump Refuses To Repent
The WinePress has thoroughly documented a number of times that Trump definitely knew what he was doing. Just the other day I reported how when Trump signed a bill in 2018 to create CISA, it included the plans to create a “pandemic delivery system.” In 2019 his administration quietly held a simulated pandemic scenario called Crimson Contagion, about a virus that originated from China; culminating in him signing an executive order to create new vaccines for future outbreaks, in September of that year. Then, in 2020, Trump’s daughter Ivanka admitted that they were working with Moderna to produce the vaccines before Operation Warp Speed was activated, and showed documentation that proves the U.S. jointly owns the mRNA technology. SEE: Ivanka Trump Admits In Tweet That The Trump Admin. Already Partnered With Moderna To Produce MRNA Vaccines BEFORE Operation Warp Speed
[18] Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also. [19] For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. [20] For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face. [21] I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also. 2 Corinthians 11:18-21
Unlike so many who cowardly refuse to stand up for the truth, I will be bold and call it out. Take it or leave it. And yet, each and every article I write defaming Trump, there is always someone there to bail him out and defend him, being willfully deceived as the above passage says. The truth is right before everyone’s eyes but so few are willing to admit to it publicly, lest they get ostracized and lose their followings, and donation money.
Moreover, podcaster David Knight was fired from Alex Jones’ Infowars because he refused to tow the line with Trump and the Covid lie, and not long ago called out Jones for totally lying for Trump, claiming Trump had a “sugar water” shot for those who did not want to take the deadly cocktail, in some sort of 4-D chess move. Nothing could be farther from the truth and was a total lie.
As Fitts said, Trump or Biden, it makes no difference. She’s exactly right, but people want a god to worship and lead them to prosperity. After all, it was Trump who shared of a video that calls him “the Shepherd of mankind, who will neither leave nor foraske them.”
But, as Fitts pointed out, the passage of Statement 56 of the Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board – which I had not known about – was bipartisanly passed by the Congress and Senate and codified by Trump, while the media was dividing people over that whole crisis acting stint with Kavanaugh. It’s all a game. As we’ve talked about before, the mainstream data is all fake, and this verifies what we can all see.
[7] Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? [8] Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? [9] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? [10] Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. (1 Corinthians 9:7-10).
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Biden celebrated doctors and nurses as heroes then proclaimed a month later for them to “take the shot or get fired.” The media proclaimed Biden as the hero and ignored all the disastrous side effects, deaths, and harm done by the vaccines. If Trump gets reelected watch what happens. He will be blamed for everything wrong with the vaccine that has been declared as safe and effective for the last four years—until recently–when the polls turned on Biden and went in favor of Trump. Now the media are beginning to cautiously say there was indeed dangers with the vaccines. If Trump gets back in the WH he will be blamed fully for everything wrong with the vaccine and Biden’s mandatory demands to take the vaccine will be conveniently forgotten and no one will be allowed to talk about Biden’s role in this. The media always plays the public in favor of the left. Read Sharyl Attkisson’s two books; Slanted and Smear, about how the media is playing the public. Both are well researched and give documented evidence of what many of us already know.
And the strangest part of all this is: Trump had the vaccine done at “warp speed” with no clinical trials and it was Trump supporters who were the least likely to take the shots and democrats who rushed out to take it and get as many boosters as they could.
I agree. While I enjoy Catherine’s views on finance I think her often voiced support of Robert F. Kennedy Jr may have colored her statements on Trump. Trump prepared an iron clad contract for the vaccine, the document repeatedly stated the contract required, “a safe and effective product.” Remember how they kept saying that, did you think it was odd at the time? Now you know why, it was because it was a contract requirement.
Further the contract called for a sample vax to be approved by the FDA. And a sample batch was. However Pfizer changed the formula and did not notify anyone to my knowledge. The vax that was distributed worldwide was a different and far more dangerous product than approved by the FDA.
You will recall the “Scarf Lady” admitted they lied to Trump. How can Catherine not know what I know about’ the contract, Pfizer’s product change and the failure of the government experts he relied on to be truthful? Seems odd for such a gifted, knowledgeable woman.
The vax was distributed about one month prior to Trump leaving the White House. There were no concerns immediately raised about the vax. Furthermore he said repeatedly that lockdowns were a State issue and that no vax should be mandatory.
The comments Catherine made of Trump being either complicit or stupid are far better applied to the Biden administration. For they are the ones that made the vax mandatory, who insisted on lockdowns, who actively blocked all media coverage of the damage the vax was doing. The Biden administration plowed money into Pfizer’s boosters, insisted that they be taken, pushed masks, pushed Remdesivir, distancing, closing of schools, closing of all of Main Street in favor of Big Box stores.
Open your eyes Catherine.
Who else is there to vote for, if you even believe that that we actually have elections on not “selections “? Or government turned into a mafia over when the Titanic sunk and the Federal Reserve was hatched. We have been lied to for well over 100 years about pretty much everything from the shape of the earth, health, money, wars and taxes.
As a Christian who loves The Only True God and Christ Jesus Whom He Has Sent, the main reasons I support Donald Trump are because of the women and children being trafficked across our border for sexual exploitation and slavery (in what could be described as a living death) and I support Donald Trump also because of the lethal drugs being smuggled across the border which have become the biggest killer today of young people in America and because I also recognize know how easy it is for terrorists that are intent on killing Christians and Americans to slip across our open borders. To show that he is not a pawn of Big Pharma, Trump would be really smart if he would promise to appoint RFK Jr (or Ben Carson) as head of the Dept of Health and Human Services so that Kennedy can clean up the corruption in the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, and all the other government health agencies so that those agencies can be rid of the corrupt conflicts of interest that they have in making money off of the vaccines and medications that they approve. For doing nothing to stop the invasion at our borders which is resulting in the desecration of America and the killing of thousands upon thousands of innocent Americans and for his mandating an experimental gene therapy jab on Americans that has also killed, maimed, wounded, and sickened thousands upon thousands of Americans, I consider Joe Biden to be the most evil man in the world today along with anyone else in his administration that could do something to secure our borders, but won’t. He also needs to appoint someone to head up the DOJ who will clean up that agency and the NSA, the CIA, and the FBI or else America is doomed for totalitarianism. During my life, I have experienced both the reality of death and the reality of life up close and I know by experience and from His Word that life is so precious to God that He gave His Son to die for all that we all might have life and live it more abundantly. I know this reality of life for Christ Jesus has saved my life many times during my 77 years. Our Father in Heaven is Real and He sent His Son to die for all and for each and every one of us to show us just how much He loves and values each and every life from conception to the tomb. Even the Kingdom of Heaven has a secure border that won’t allow in any illegal aliens because He knows that the enemy comes in to steal, kill, and destroy what is good and those who call themselves Christians and don’t care enough to have a President of our country that will secure our borders are only revealing that Donald Trump is much more of a Christian for wanting to secure the border and stop the needless and evil loss and waste of life than those who are Christians in name only and have no humility and care more about their own theology and self-righteousness than they do about the loss of many lives, cannot and will not repent because they have made themselves god in their own minds and are never wrong.
She nailed it BIG TIME. I’ve thought for a longgggg time Trump was (1) either in on it or (2) too ignorant to see what was going on. If it was (1), he’s a criminal. If it was (2), he’s a poor judge of character. There is no number (3) Bottom line? Trump is unfit to be POTUS. So that leaves us with the commie bought-and-paid-for Biden. UGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! America’s washed up and NOT coming back. We might as well face up to facts and kiss it bub-bye.
Honestly, I have a sick sneaking suspicion the handlers were reinstate Biden again for a 2nd term, and then rug pull the economy in 2025 and use Biden as the scapegoat for why things crashed.
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I know, Fitts came out of the womb with a medical degree in her hands, and knew exactly what to do when Covid-19 struck! After all, being a financial expert and former assistant secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development she was qualified and should have been contacted first!
President Trump being a business man, should have ignored all of the medical professionals around him and contacted her, seeing it was a brand new man made virus that no one in the general public had ever dealt with before!
It would be a mistake to say he was trying to depopulate the planet. A guess at best, or we could be very close to being a false accuser! Incompetent? No, just given bad advice. It’s so easy to say we knew after the fact! Are we claiming Clairvoyance?
Can you imagine the workload of the Office of the Presidency of the United States? The amount of information coming in every day? No man could do it alone! Presidents need trustworthy people around them, and in this case {Covid-19} it wasn’t so.
I, like Fitts, have been Anti-Vax for several years, but that doesn’t make President Trump incompetent, or a law breaker.
President Trump did the best he or anyone else could do considering the circumstances and the information that he was being fed.
It’s really easy to be the Quarterback after the game’s over. Massage the data, twist the details a little here, a little there, cast that special little light on it , you know, the one that makes it look the way you want it to . Hind-sight is 20/20 and very easy.
Oh, I almost forgot, It’s an Election Year, and President Trump’s leading in the polls!
This article sounds like it’s right out of the Obama play book, spread a lot of dirt, destabilize the people, get them to stop trusting anything, or anyone, and you’ve got them! There’s actually a video of Obama saying that!
This really feels like a thinly veiled political hit piece!
There’s absolutely a machine, and we had better hope that President Trump gets re-elected, we might avoid world government for 4 more years! Did he make mistakes? Yes. Have you? Yes, and by the way, do you have a better alternative for President?
If so, please share it with us all. I sincerely mean that!
Like I said before judge him the way you would like to be judged.
I’m sure looking forward to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gathering us all up, and taking us home! Home with the Lord, sounds good doesn’t it!
My Dad, 93 Yrs. Old, just went there about an hour ago!
Let’s all keep looking for that city that has foundations, whose builder and maker is God!
Home! Let us all Praise God!
Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus! Amen and Amen!
Love you all in Christ, Bro. C.
I am sorry for your loss. My condolences.
“get them to stop trusting anything, or anyone.” -The people need to stop trusting ANY man, that’s the problem. If you are looking for a politician to come rescue you or this country then you have been deceived. The country is going to implode whether Trump wins or not. The Presidents don’t run jack. Fitts is far from being the lone voice, and this clip is a year old. I was calling out Trump well before The WP was created, and my longtime viewers know that I was making fun of the Covid nonsense before a single lockdown happened in the States, so no one can call me a hypocrite on that.
Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. [6] For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. [7] Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. [8] For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
Good morning my Bro.
Thank you for your condolences my Dear Brother in Christ,and may the Lord richly bless you and yours !
When I mentioned trust anyone or anything, I in no way meant trust in any man for anything pertaining to salvation, anything eternal, or as according to the Lord, how we should conduct ourselves on a daily basis. I trust the Lord ! He is my Life!
You also can’t trust {any man or woman} to do everything they said they would, nor ever make mistakes.
{You can’t even trust yourself, Proverbs 3 : 5-6} Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
My apologies, sometimes I get ahead myself, and assume the everyone else understands what I mean, thinking like it’s a given! I’ll try to make myself clearer in the future .
No one is looking for a politician to come and save anything. If they are, they’re deceived.
The level of trust I,m speaking about is the best choice at the present time. If you’ll look at Trumps overall track record in comparison to every president before him, I’m saying that in my short 68 years, he stands head and shoulders above any other president I’m aware of! My dear Dad that just went to Heaven said the same thing, in 93 years he never saw anyone come close ! To be very clear, President Trump is NOT the Messiah, {He’s just like you and me, a man.}
As far as the Covid thing goes , I’ve also been speaking out against vaccines and the damage they can do for years, but that still doesn’t make President Trump incompetent or a law breaker,maybe ignorance, pressure, fear, bad-info, media-pressure, etc. and with all that said, Were you there? I wasn’t. All of that still does not make him a monster, or you and I hypocrites! Speaking of Hypocrites I never once called you or anyone a hypocrite in my last post, but I do stand by the statement I believe its’ a thinly veiled political hit piece, and it’s really easy to Quarterback after the games over !
We also have to do something more constructive than just call people out. We need to know about the alternatives! {As far as I can tell,} President Trump is our best choice for now.
It’s so easy when we have never experienced the pressure of the office to say what we would do or what someone should have done , but we don’t know all of the facts. With as many hit jobs that are taking place against President Trump how do we know for sure that some of our information isn’t coming from a soros funded source! I also understand that could also be a two way Street.
If you’ll recall I said he {might} buy us four more years. Might! Pray for the man! Pray for his success in the good things, the things of God !
Pray that the Church in America ,and Worldwide will do this, 2 CHRONICLES 7:14 If my people,which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
God set up government, and at this time in history ,we have to try to live with that for now.
We have to {a certain limited extent} trust = prayerfully weigh out the actions, inactions of those running for office, what they’ve done, not done , and prayerfully consider and make a choice. To not do so, is to give up all chances to possibly to help ourselves and those who oppose themselves, and just watch whats left of this nation devolve into complete madness.
I actually appreciate people watching the politicians ,and calling out their wrongs and transgressions. We all need to watch and speak up because the Anti-Christ system is almost complete! At the same time we need to offer alternatives. Will we get everything we want? NO! Under this present system that’s impossible! All we can do is pray and trust God to show us our best choice in this present time, and pray for them! I believe the best choice at this time is President Trump!
If you have a better alternative please let me know so I can prayerfully consider him or her!
President Trump Messiah NO! {MIGHT} buy us four more years,YES ? MIGHT !
Americas doing more than imploding, the US and the rest of the world are charging the gates of hell begging to be judged, sometimes I wonder if Americas’ mystery Babylon!
There’s alot of things that suggest that it might be, I don’t know. If you have any info. on it please post it .
Did President Trump make mistakes? YES, but he also did alot of really good things too !
Like I said before, judge him the way you would like to be judged.
Please, If you have a better alternative please let me know so I can prayerfully consider him or her!
Perfect won’t be here untill our Lord Jesus returns!
All things are possible with God, He saved you and I didn’t He ?
Love you Brother, in Christ Bro C.
“This really feels like a thinly veiled political hit piece!” It most certainly does and I share your views on the considerable value Trump brings via a second term.
And for Catherine to suggest Trump was either complicit or naive as the only two choices at hand is very suspect. How can such a clever woman assume that? I feel she used Greg in this interview and I find that very annoying.
Perhaps there won’t be another election for a President and the Antichrist will step in. Of course we will be gone before that happens, so let’s hope we are. The world is ripe for the AC to come in and stop all the political chaos.
Even so come quickly Lord Jesus ! Amen and Amen.
Watch out for Catherine Austin Fitts. She is a New Ager, not a Christian. There is a ‘spiritual science academy’ on her website. With links to Thomas H. Meyer, Rudolf Steiner, and a link to “How do I find The christ.” and the Cosmic christ. Quote: “Fitts: We are launching a website called Spiritual Science Academy. We are
going to describe this as always for The Present Age. The question for many
people is: If we reject the plans enforced by Mr. Global, how instead do we
build a human future? Thomas and I believe that Rudolf Steiner’s work, and
Thomas’s work are exceptionally useful in helping us understand how to do
that.
With that, we will do our first one now. So, we begin our first series called ‘How
Do I Find the Christ?’ I would point out that it was my request to you. Next to
my bedside, I have a little book you gave me called How Do I Find the Christ
by Rudolf Steiner. I get many questions about Christianity and about Christ, and
I felt that it was very, very important that, rather than me trying to answer some
of those questions, you instead teach us what Steiner taught us about Christ.
I don’t endorse her, I just agree with her on this specific issue.
Thank you, nannette! Your post is the only other comment I’ve seen across many, many truth-telling websites that correctly discerns the antichrist spirit behind CAF. I agree with Jacob, that CAF has criticially important and articulate political insights; and that she is bolder than many Christians in discerning and explaining Trump’s true loyalties.
It’s tragic that so many Christians continue to give Trump a free pass, because they don’t fully understand the powers behind Trump as a chess piece. He’s more powerful than a pawn, but he’s still a chess piece that someone else directs; he’s indebted for life to the mob and CIA, and much evidence (his perpetual hand sign, for one) indicates he’s a 33rd Degree Freemason.
But it is equally sad that many truth-telling Christians are not discerning CAF. I’ve heard Christian bloggers (including Greg Hunter) refer to CAF as a “sister in Christ” which she did not contradict. But her “Jesus” is not the real Jesus. The reality is that her New Age spirituality is tied to the false “great awakening” that WinePress (and not enough others) seek to expose.
And thus, her grand plans for restoring power to the people is destined to fail, because it’s simply not in accordance with Bible prophecy which declares that “evil men and seducers will grow (multiply) worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.”