As The WinePress has been noting for many months, preachers across all denominations and sects have been silent on the Covid vaccines, and many other protocols and edicts surrounding the pandemonium.
In mid-August The WP reported that mainstream made another point of saying that large amounts of pastors are silent on the vaccines and Covid measures. The media’s take on it was to point how these Christian leaders in their church buildings and organizations should be emphasizing these things.
The WP, on the other hand, was more interested in pointing out the simple fact that they are dead silent all together, and refusing to tackle these issues.
Media Says Many Pastors Are Dead Silent About The Covid Shots
Here is another example of that.
A frequent reader of The WP sent in an article from Way of Life Literature, courtesy of David Cloud, an Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB). As described on their website, these reports are written by and for “Fundamental Baptists and other fundamentalist, Bible-believing Christians.”
This contributor for The WP has been submitting many of their weekly “Church Notes” to The WinePress, and many of the articles and segments are simply lukewarm on the issue of vaccinations and Covid-related restrictions. I am not going to cover all of them – as you can check them out for yourself if you wish – but I can tell you that David Cloud has not tackled the issue in great detail, at least on his widely distributed news reports. But when he has, he follows the mainstream narrative while still being wishy-washy on the issues at hand.
Some of the most recently archived reports (at the time of this report) demonstrates this sentiment. On August 13th, Cloud published this:
Many have become focused on Covid vaccines. I have received a large number of links to anti-Covid vaccine material. I’ve looked at a lot of them, tested them as best I can, prayed about the matter. If someone thinks I haven’t looked at all sides, they are wrong. But life is very short, and I am confident that I have more important things to do with my time. And if you are saved, so do you.
… But I can see every evidence that God has blessed this church for obeying Him and not getting off track in the Covid era.
Cloud goes onto rattle off all the things his church congregation is doing without getting involved with the Covid quagmires, seeing more “amazing conversions,” and how they seek to be a Philadelphian church (Revelation 3:7-13).
Then on August 20th (though the articles are dated for the 13th by mistake), Cloud posted this article, where he shared the perceived benefits of getting previous vaccines and refuting “anti-vax” notions. Here is that piece in full, divided up for better readability:
The term “epidemic of misinformation” is how Peter Salk, son of Jonas Salk, developer of the polio vaccine, described the anti-vax movement in a 2014 interview with The Atlantic. The interview begins with the following facts:
“In the peak [polio] year of 1952, there were nearly 60,000 cases throughout America; 3,000 were fatal, and 21,000 left their victims paralyzed. Then, in 1955, American children began lining up for Jonas Salk’s new polio vaccine. By the early 1960s, the recurring epidemics were 97 percent gone.”
When asked, “Do you remember when you first started hearing about widespread opposition to vaccines?”
Salk replied, “I don’t remember exactly when, but it first came to my attention through some of my friends. I read some of the materials they sent me, and it just was really hard for me to follow some of the logic–particularly when it came to the polio vaccine, which I knew something about. People were claiming that it was all a myth, that the disappearance of polio had nothing to do with vaccines. The reality is that back in 1954, there was a huge double-blind study involving 1.8 million schoolchildren. The results were clear-cut: If you got the polio vaccine, you were protected; if you didn’t, you were not. When you have that kind of data, you just can’t say that the disappearance of polio is due to other things.”
What strikes me is–I don’t know quite how to put this, but it’s like there’s an epidemic of misinformation, and we’ve got to inoculate the public against it” (“The Anti-Vaccine Movement Is Forgetting the Polio Epidemic,” The Atlantic, Oct. 28, 2014).
Cloud offers no commentary on this. Are we to assume that Cloud himself does not wish to be labeled as an “anti-vaxxer,” as to not be thrown into the “tin hat-wearing conspiracy club?” -that would be the case.
But as a side note, I won’t digress too much, but the narrative that polio vaccines eradicate the world of polio is simply not true. As a matter of fact, polio has been seeing a large resurgence around the world due to these vaccines that are being administered. You can read that here, here, and here.
On August 25th, Cloud published a lengthy statement on the Covid vaccines in response to a reader who valued his opinion. I am not going to list every point he makes – some are good points that even I myself have made (like pointing out the fakery of the Stew Peters-types) – but will provide enough quotes so you know where he truly stands. I seriously encourage you to read it for yourself, just to get full context to show that I am not maligning and bearing false witness against him in any way.
But here is where he stands:
For my part, I consider the vaccine issue a personal choice. I do, though, want to push back some against the anti-Covid vaccine frenzy for those who care to hear. And I want to warn yet again about getting off base in one’s thinking about these times.
I am seeing the response to Covid vaccines actually divide churches. I am seeing it cause professing Christians to reject preachers and nearly rail against them on the basis of their position on the vaccines. I am seeing it turn people into anti-government rebels. I am seeing it be the occasion for swallowing wild-eyed quackery (e.g., “all the animals died when they did whatever testings were done”) and will-o’-the-wisp conspiracies.
The question is what can we do and what should we do. That is how I have framed the issue all along. I am not going to war against masks, lockdowns, vaccines, vaccine passports, etc. Paul didn’t live like that. The Roman government was 100% pagan and idolatrous. It was demonic, in that sense. Its chief god was Jupiter. But Paul’s focus was the Great Commission, and that must be our focus. When the government forbids the operation of churches and the preaching of the gospel or the preaching of any part of God’s Word, a higher law prevails, and governments are doing this and God’s people are having to make hard choices to obey God rather than man.
But we were taught by Christ Himself to render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars as far as possible. I am not going to march against Covid lockdowns and vaccine passports; I’m not going to jail for such a thing or restrict my ministry on the basis of such a thing. But I will preach the gospel and preach every part of God’s Word even if the government forbids it, come what may. I have lived in places where preaching and churches were illegal, and in those circumstances I have obeyed God rather than man, and I have experienced persecution because of it.
In my own experience, which doesn’t mean a lot but does mean something, and I am in contact with a lot of people around the world, I personally know of many people who have died of Covid, but I don’t know of anyone who has died of the vaccines or even suffered permanent injury from them, and I know of a lot of people who have been vaccinated.
The anti-Covid skeptics tend to focus almost entirely on the alleged dangers of the vaccines, while ignoring the very real dangers of Covid itself (though it was not the danger it was made out to be, and could have been handled far more wisely, and should never have caused the draconian lockdowns.)
I have no doubt that the Covid crisis is a changing of the prophetic times, a move forward for the mystery of iniquity. It is like there has been a ratcheting up of another gear or two to move the world deeper into globalism and government control. But I can’t stop the mystery of iniquity and am not told to try. I pray against it, but that’s all I can do. It’s God’s business, not mine, and He is well able to handle it.
(These are the things that Cloud specifically rejects concerning the vaccines):
* I don’t believe that the vaccines are killing thousands of people.
* I don’t believe that the vaccines will produce a holocaust.
* I don’t believe that the Covid is spreading among the vaccinated more than among the non-vaccinated.
* I don’t believe that the vaccine is a key component of a global scheme of population control (as per Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, etc.). I don’t believe that “the entire covid ‘plandemic’ scam is a global depopulation scheme to scare people into taking spike protein bioweapons shots (‘vaccines’) that will kill them over time.”
* I don’t believe that the vaccine makes people become magnetic.
* I don’t believe that the vaccine “self-assembles to build a biocircuitry system in the cell to control moods and thoughts.”
* I don’t believe that the vaccine is experimental gene therapy. (In reality, the vaccines do not modify a person’s genes; the genome remains unchanged.)
* I don’t believe that the vaccine creates “a pathogenic protein” which is “a toxin” that gets into the bloodstream and causes damage.
* I don’t believe that the vaccination inserts a microchip.
* I don’t believe that the vaccine causes the immune system to become “hyper-charged.”
* I don’t believe that the vaccine causes antibody-dependent enhancement of disease (ADE).
* I don’t believe that the vaccination is the mark of the beast.
* I don’t believe that VAERS is a dependable database by which to judge the lethality of vaccines.Again, I’m not advising anyone to take the vaccines or not to take them. I’ve taken one of the vaccines to facilitate international travel without quarantine. As stated earlier, I know a lot of people have taken the vaccines, including the Russian one (Sputnik V), the Chinese one (Sinopharm), Pfizer-BioNtech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson, and though they aren’t equally effectual, I don’t know anyone who has had a problem with the vaccine itself.
Now, the soundness of vaccines does matter to me, and I can do something about it personally by not taking it (if I thought it was dangerous, which I don’t) and by urging others to be careful. But beyond that, I can’t stop a global conspiracy, even if it existed, so why get perpetually fretted up!
Consider the anti-vax position. Even if it were true that people have died from the vaccines, I need to ask how this fits into the overall scheme of things. I must look at the big picture. Millions have died from Covid. That is a fact. (The global statistic is 4.2 million as of Aug. 1, but even if it is two million, that is a lot of deaths in a short time.) As noted earlier, I personally know of many people who have died of Covid, but I don’t know of anyone who has been harmed by the vaccines. That’s my personal experience. I have to ask whether it is possible that the vaccines are saving lives overall. I believe they are.
If I am spending more time reading and discussing and thinking about conservative politics and alleged conspiracies and “natural health” and such than I am reading and studying and memorizing and meditating on Scripture and getting out the gospel and praying and building up my home and church in Christ and otherwise serving the Lord according to Scripture, then I am not obeying God and I will give account for this at Christ’s judgment seat.
Then today, September 10th, Cloud published the latest edition of his “Church Notes,” where he cites a response from an Baptist pastor who agrees whole-heartedly with Cloud – who says he is saddened and says so many pastors and Christians have been distracted by the Covid pandemonium – as he believes “that this is all a distraction from Satan to divert our attention away from what really matters — The Gospel of Christ.”
Furthermore, this anonymous pastor says this:
The drug companies? They are just companies wanting to make as much of a profit for their share holders as they can — pretty dumb to kill off your customers, don’t you think? Conspiracy about COVID-19? Unlikely! This would require collaboration at the highest level between multiple countries who can’t even agree on where to hold a meeting let alone something as big as this. Will this level of government collaboration ever happen? Yes, one day, God has ordained it, so yes it will happen. Is it the Christian’s job to stop it? No, if God has ordained it we have no power to stop it; our job is to pray for all men everywhere that they would come to the saving knowledge of Christ and the spread the gospel as we were instructed — simple really.
Is Covid-19 real? I hope so because if it’s not then I’m not sure what we have been treating this past 18 months. Is there a conspiracy? Absolutely!!! A conspiracy by Satan to distract Gods people from the real task at hand. Thank you again for your article, well written and well presented.”
AUTHOR COMMENTARY
[14] And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; [15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. [16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. [17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: [18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. [19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. [20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.Revelation 3:14-20
What you just read by Cloud and this other pastor is a prime example of what a Laodicean looks and sounds like. Hate to pull you out of your little bad-attitude buptist ivory castle, Cloud, but you are leaps and bounds away from being a Philadelphian!
But none of what you read should surprise you: these hirelings have been fleecing their flocks for a LONG time, long before 2020. Bryan Denlinger of King James Video Ministries many years ago refuted a book written by Cloud that was a total hit piece against having fellowship in a home (which is what was done in the New Testament). You ought to watch those if you have time. Denlinger absolutely lacerated Cloud and his asinine statements (such as claiming that Mystery Babylon (Rev 17-18) is describing house churches!). Not surprisingly, that book quietly disappeared off the market after the videos began to circulate…
[1] The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. [2] For the transgression of a land many are the princes thereof: but by a man of understanding and knowledge the state thereof shall be prolonged.Proverbs 28:1-2
We can see this little gazelle ran away: he’s too big of a coward to stand up and fight – NOT for some political party, but because it is your DUTY to stand for TRUTH and RIGHTEOUSNESS. And you want to know why Cloud is taking these stances, and making absurd statements about home-churches: because he can’t stand the fact that him and his circle of buddies are losing TITHING members, so they have to do damage control.
But anyways, since the preachers up and down this country (regardless of denomination for a moment) are not speaking out, then MORE lies creep in and the tyranny and oppression gets worse: “but by a man of understanding and knowledge the state thereof shall be prolonged.” Not him I guess.
And it’s only par for the course that this loser would rail against natural health. Why wouldn’t he? I mean, LOOK AT HIM, just look at that slob! Isn’t always a fascinating phenomenon that these obese and unhealthy sluggards want to tell YOU and I about health? It’s their scapegoat to justify their gluttony and slothfulness.
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Proverbs 8:13
I absolutely detest arrogance like this. I am not shocked in the slightest, but it still angers me. This is nothing more than sanctimonious pride and willful ignorance to the truth. The WinePress has shown EXPLICIT evidence that cannot be ignored that these vaccines are death shots. But nope, not to him: that’s all “conspiracy.” This is guy is such a liar he actually cites “fact checkers” and the CDC’s data for his source of truth. Give me a break! You can check out the many reports from The WP that CLEARLY show what these jabs are all about. Is there a bunch rhetoric out there on social media? Absolutely, and that’s why I debunk those points too – to separate truth from lies.
[10] Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. [11] For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. [12] Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD. [13] I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaf shall fade; and the things that I have given them shall pass away from them. [14] Why do we sit still? assemble yourselves, and let us enter into the defenced cities, and let us be silent there: for the LORD our God hath put us to silence, and given us water of gall to drink, because we have sinned against the LORD. [15] We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of health, and behold trouble!Jeremiah 8:10-15
I covered some of this sentiment in my report about the death of the songbirds, and how the Lord is signaling judgment on this nation. Check it out.
Is God Warning America With The Rapid Death Of Songbirds?
Cloud’s nonsense speaks for itself. He is nothing more than a loser of a dead and fruitless system.
The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.
Proverbs 21:16
To the young believers out there, here’s some word of advice to you about false teachers: a tried and true cop-out they love to do is talk about only preaching the gospel and how many souls they saved. You want a quick way to debunk that? Where’s the fruit, where’s the evidence, where’s the newly saved living for and preaching Jesus Christ? Where is the rise in moral standards? NEWS FLASH: It’s not there because they have “won” nobody. But they say these things to try and intimidate you.
The Mass Exodus From The Churches
Regular readers already know what I am going to say, but I need to reemphasize these points to newcomers – as it is obvious Cloud is taking digs at myself and the work I have done, and other believers have submitted:
The WinePress from day one has, and always will, be politically neutral. I do not get involved with all this voting stuff because it is a waste of time for a Christian (these days at least, especially). I have been very critical of these “patriot” types because of a lot of their connections and flat-out lies. I am interested in presenting truth. This is why I cover a lot of these political hacks, so I can WARN and REPROVE them because so many Christians get sucked into that stuff.
Same applies for all this Covid stuff. I have done the best I can with the Lord’s help to present what is truth and what is error, and give plenty of scripture to support the claims and encourage brethren. Regular readers can attest to that.
[11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. [12] For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. [13] But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. [15] See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, [16] Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.Ephesians 5:11-16
Furthermore – leading into why I expose what I expose – is because I am not only warning the brethren as to what is going on and what to avoid, but also as a testimony to the lost world. You see, I don’t just talk about truth, I live it and do it. That’s a LIVING testimony the lost world sees and respects. Therefore, while giving them the gospel, I try to give them a REASON to want the truth and acknowledge that truth!
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 3:21
By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
Proverbs 16:6
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.
Job 28:28
Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:14
But none of what I just said applies to Cloudy – not when he and so many others refuse to accept the obvious truth out there.
He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
Proverbs 29:1
Allow me to example what’s REALLY going on with these imps:
[18] Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, [19] And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. [20] Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, [21] (Touch not; taste not; handle not; [22] Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? [23] Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.Colossians 2:18-23
These goody-goody Baptists have been cocooned from reality for FAR too long, and they have no clue what’s going on in the world today. I plan to discuss this passage in a study for a later date (stay tuned), but this passage sums it up well. These people are NOT being directed by the Lord to say these things. Rather, they worship themselves and their minds, their will, as the passage says. “Angels” in verse 18 can be a reference to the Lord, as angel and spirit are used interchangeably at times in the Bible – such as Revelation 1-3 – where Jesus Christ is spoken of as the Spirit, because “the Lord is THAT Spirit” (2 Corinthians 3:17). These people think that the Lord is directing them and speaking to them, when he is not. So what happens is, is they create their false doctrines and systems that are not found anywhere in the scriptures. But since they obey their own made-up nonsense, then they think they are serving God. They are not. They act humble and make a show of putting down the flesh, but it is all for show, and Paul is warning about that.
Ever wonder why hardly anyone preaches on that passage? -Cause it has their number.
The bottom-line is this: Cloud and his circle of friends are hirelings. He is a coward and a Laodicean, and is in for a very rude awakening when the government – who owns his building – makes an example out of him in the time to come. Wait and see.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6:7
When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth: but the righteous shall see their fall.
Proverbs 29:16
[7] Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? [8] Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? [9] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? [10] Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. (1 Corinthians 9:7-10).
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I read that Nicole Malliotakis is hosting a couple of vaccine events, including an event at Mount Sinai United Christian Church:
https://www.silive.com/news/2021/09/malliotakis-announces-two-covid-19-vaccine-events-for-mid-island-north-shore.html
Here is what Bishop Brown says in the article: “Don’t hesitate. Appreciate. Vaccines save lives!”
More pastors are becoming more lukewarm, as well as congregations.
I was helped by the ministries of David Cloud and Dr. Ruckman 9 yrs. ago as a catholic. Was getting the monthly journals from both which are now canceled. I have read and watched in discust at their lack of discernment in the last 20 months. Started to get worry of them before this time where their lack of tackelling bigger issues like the false flags and the fake evil medical industry. I always wondered how I could trust men like them about anything they teach. It has shaken my faith. I’ll be honest with you The only church that did not shut down or require mask was a lain mass church during this whole lie. Makes me wonder if I was wrong 9 yrs ago. Pray for me because I am angry and frustrated and in a spiritual wasteland wondering what to do now. Thank you for all that you do. God bless and protect tou. J. Hilberr
Jason, I shall pray for you specifically.
However, what does a church being open or not open have to do with whatever happened 9 years ago? Are you putting your faith in the Lord or in men specifically?
Surely, I’ve been guilty of this in the past – but only to wake up and repent of such foolishness.
I have listened to the video mentioned regarding the home church and Cloud – the likes of Cloud are a special kind of sanctimonious hypocrite.
“Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.” “
I understand. I do not know enough about Cloud to give a full synopsis of the man, but what I read in his news articles and Bryan’s videos about him is absolutely embarrassing. Ruckman had his issues too, no doubt, but I have learned a lot from his teachings too.
Trust me, you were not wrong to abandon Roman Catholicism. Just because a more conservative one actually stayed open makes no difference to their blasphemous and abominable teachings and practices. They have never been able to save anyone. I will pray for you.
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
I detest their arrogance and pseudo Christianity too, abhor it! Detest it! I hate it more than I hate chocolate (I’m allergic or have sensitivity to chocolate, it makes me severely nauseous, but I digress) and you can bank on this Jacob and whoever reads this: all these hirelings and charlatans as well as these prominent social and church building goodie goodie two shoes hypocrites and so on, God is going to kick them off of their pedestals and they’re going to fall on their faces! And this “pandemic” is creating not one but several ways for that too happen; and for that, I thank God for it!
I feel sad and disheartened for them .I don’t think we should ever celebrate someones fall. We should pray for their eyes to be opened and to repent before it’s too late
Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil. 1 Corinthians 13:4-5.
Your comment is very sad. I read the quotes from David Cloud above and it seems clear (even from the selective quotes given) that David Cloud is trying to be balanced. He also appears to have the right priorities. I for one was starting to see that issues like politics and Covid have inadvertently drawn me into the things of the world and away from the “Great Commission”. The world is not simply carnality and fleshliness.
If your faith is rocked because David Cloud has feet of clay, then you need to ask if your faith was solid to begin with. Don’t put your faith in mere men – we all have feet of clay.
My faith is in Christ. He is my Rock. And I find all I need to know about Him in His Word.
The Catholic Church’s teachings are contrary to Scripture – why would you consider returning there?
I have and use “Way of Life Encyclopedia of the Bible & Christianity”, from Cloud. But I would not recommend anything else he has produced. I read his hit peach against Ruckman and knew then what he was. Plus, in general, I distrust anyone who works in the church system.
It seems to me The Lord is setting it up so that only home based churches will work, and then in secret. Just like they still do in places that ban the Bible and faith. I am waiting for the day when I get arrested for my shirts, buttons, and tracks, that I always have on or around me. I am really praying that I don’t see it, and hear a “sound” first. One never knows for sure. All I can say is we have to be getting REAL close.
I look at the vaccination rates and deaths in Israel, he can’t tarry too long, as no one will be left. I am afraid that no one I know will believe anything I say at this point. They have dug in their heals; however, if we care taken up to be with The Lord Jesus Christ, perhaps then they will wake up. Reminds me of this short clip: http://crn.hopto.org/include/vids/main/who-remembers-this-from-the-1970s-.mp4
Mitch – (I had someone try to impress me with German and I thought of this) 1 Corinthians 14:28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak
to himself, and to God.
Isn’t Cloud pro Textus Receptus, too?
He definitely does not understand that the Textus Receptus no longer exists save in the King James Bible. And he smeared both Peter Ruckman and Gail Riplinger along with the traditionalist TR guys, trashing everything they’d ever done en toto, rather than taking their work point by point, proving & disproving. To confound & complicate matters, Dr. Kent Brandenburg & T. Ross took Cloud to task for not receiving their TR & local church position whole hog, and writing on the body of Christ and church of the living God as a whole entity. Cloud argued for both the entirety of the body and the member churches.
Meanwhile the ‘unity’ and trad Cat guys make a ton of hay on the mayhem pretending to be above it all & unscathed by it & the general corruptibility of men still in corruptible flesh. The ‘masters’ of sorcery & craft, the deepest in & highest up nicolaitans of the Romish Babylonian antichrist hierarchy. Like the Sadduccees, Herodians & Pharisees of old….they hate each others’ guts & try to lift themselves up by trampling down & standing on others, but will ‘unite’ in the matter of coming against & warring against a common threat truth like Christ who IS truth & all light, according to the scriptures, exposing the sin, corruptibility & need of them all.
Don’t forget the subtlety of the Devil & his ministers (2 Cor 11). This is a man who has not hesitated to critique fundamentalism in numerous areas, & who has written extensively in defense of the King James Bible. He lives in Nepal. I acknowledge his corruptible flesh, & believe the issue is over trust in men’s science & ‘progress’; disagree with his opinion & influencing in this matter.
I’d frankly forgotten his stand against home churches which put him at loggerheads with men like yourself & Bryan Denlinger, and Steve Van Nattan of Balaam’s Ass Speaks. I remember finding that surprising before I understood the missions system more, given the challenges meeting churches face in the East & Third World nations. Now, I realize that his sending churches would have the financing concerns & temptations & entanglements of the West, but the Nepalese churches are humble, to say the least. Hindu, Muslim, Communist governmental influences & alliances affect them directly.
There’s been such a change in tone with Steve Van Nattan & his view on health & medical issues, that I’ve wondered concerning his sanity & potential dementia, manipulation by younger, stronger family members….like what happened with Ed Decker, Noah Hutching, Voice of the Martyrs & so forth. All stemming from the corporate church & ministry organization & their proneness to political infiltration & ‘transformation’.
When the fakes ‘stand’ in their Romish Babylonian unity, it proves a seductive temptation to many to think they are the ‘real’ Christians….these tradCat and emergent types who use the philosophical dialectic, internet craft & propaganda with masterful skill, & who either lump all Bible believers with the per-ver$ionists & their ‘unity’, or call them divisive, stubborn & irrational, willfully ignorant & unscientific heretics, extremists & fundamentalists which is the group that they ALWAYS put King James Bible believers into.
It’s a trap of Colossians 2:8 and 2 Corinthians 11, Revelation 18.
With regard to the covid mess. I came across some Creationist books in my annual organizing of materials for homeschooling that reminded me of a couple things that are pertinent to these days, and may explain some of the motives behind pushing the mRNA genetic experimentation.
Jack Cuozzo’s ‘Buried Alive’ from 1997-8, and John Sanford’s ‘Genetic Entropy’ from 2005 & 2014. Will perhaps write more on that when I have time, or the Denlinger’s might want to comment on it.
One relates to Neanderthal’s fossils (and so-called Cro-Magnon) in Spain, France & Germany….and less well-known, at Mt. Carmel & in far too recent layers for the evolutionary narrative, and out of order: buried AFTER what are obviously modern devolved folks like us) actually being the remains of post-Flood people of great age. Some of those people outlived children, grandchildren & in some cases great-grandchildren when looking at Genesis 10 and men like Arphaxad & Eber, which makes sense of the actual evidence.
And the evidence of radioactive decay released by Flood volcanic activity progressively shortening & devolving man’s corruptible bodies; the burst of energy at the Creation evidenced in granite bedrock & so forth ….throwing all the Uniformitarian dating methods out the window, etc.
The other demonstrates genetic entropy devolution through the actual witnessing of compounding genetic error in recent decades.
These demonstrations of the Curse & truth of God’s word, and underlining man’s mortality & the fragility & use-by date on their worshipped Universe & system may be leading many to desperate attempts & schemes to ‘remedy’ these things, & driving a portion of the ‘transhumanist’ & escape-to-outer-space or irrationality crowds who see these things as solutions & salvations being blind & without God, or with an idol or partial understanding of God due to the per-versions and confusion in the visible & professing Christian world.
Another thing that troubles me with Van Nattan, is that just as he started to wobble & sound emergent….the comment section on his blog was closed & removed. When infiltrators took VOM, and wiped & ‘transformed’ Ed Decker’s Saints Alive blog, the same thing happened. In the post-transformation website photos that were put up were younger members of Decker’s family with the trademark long hair, sandals, cool dude hippie ‘loving’ look….surrounding Ed, & he looking very old, weak & confused. I would say drugged. There was a ‘sins against the people’ apology reminiscent of the Chinese Cultural Revolution & how he’d been an agent of division, lacking in love toward mankind (Masonry) and the ‘brethren’ in Mormonism up on the website….& I remember the chill that went through me, realizing things were not as they seemed & that something very evil and relentless, merciless….was going on.
I remember the sins of Manasseh & his reforms. How little the younger were affected by them, even as he hadn’t been by the reforms of his own father, Hezekiah. God spared Manasseh personally for his repentance, even as he had Lot: but the consequence & sin of innocent blood and the image of jealousy in the Temple under Manasseh meant that national judgment was sure & inevitable. 2 Kings 20 & 21; 2 Chronicles 32 & 33 KJB
I’m new to Winepress News and am not familiar with Cloud but wholeheartedly agree with WP’s perspective. The Holy Spirit confirms for me that the truth of Luke 12:49-56 is over an individual’s, groups’ and society’s reception of truthfulness. How much courage, boldness, demonstrating faithfulness in God’s promises, and engagement with the world at risk to one’s worldly position is required by shunning the death and life consequences of the shot and the whole fabricated covid phenomenon? The pastors and Christians’ avoidance of the truth of lies, deceptions, and discernment by the authorities cannot be tolerated. Those who are committed to truth – whether “saved” or unsaved, is the real fruit of authenticity and true faithfulness. The Word plainly states: “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; mercy and truth go before You!” Psalm 89:13-15. The present division taking place in the Western Church is surely a plausible if not clear fulfillment of a number of End Times prophetic warnings, including 2 Timothy 3:1-9. God bless you Jacob. I’m donating to your website blog. (PS – on my iPhone the pop up invitation to subscribe as I’ve done makes it difficult to negotiate the website; it should be improved).
Jacob, you mentioned about fighting for what’s right vs. a political party. Glad you brought that up.
These fakes, lukewarm fakes, they think they’re such God-fearing christians because they support the republican (republic-can’t) party and are all conservative in their values, ha ha ha what a joke! Chapter and verse, please. They flash their conservative anti-liberal works and the prominent little positions around like a rapper flashes his bling, it’s all pride and vanity and it’s gonna get blown out like birthday candles!
Lib-tards vs. con-tards and they’re both to blame!
Well said.
I also liked that you mentioned the fact that these so called pastors, Cloud included, are overweight or obese slobs. It is a fascinating phenomenon. A bunch of wide loads that can’t keep their hands off the Krispy Kreme and the Blue Bell, they love their fast food, and they pig out at the weekly or monthly potluck dinners, and save room for dessert if you please. GLUTTONY!!! One reason why I’m especially disgusted by their potlucks, a bunch of fakes and hirelings who, instead of having an outreach to feed the homeless, feed starving children, the less fortunate, they’d rather stuff their faces like a bunch of cattle at a feeding trough! Put down the shovel, you gluttons!
Then they wonder why their precious little pastors are wearing pant size 86 x 83, why so and so has diabetes, so and so has cancer, so and so is 400 bounds obese and is going to Houston, Texas to see Dr. Younan Nowzarden for weight loss surgery! They get what they deserve.
I don’t know who David Cloud is, never heard of him before – but regardless, I am astounded he knows so little of the concerns in the body of Christ about the injections and the COVID craziness that the lost world is frothing over. He starts with such a broad argument about “Vaccines.” So, does he not know it is about *these* injections, which are not even traditional vaccines such a Salk’s polio vax. (And it’s worth noting that Salk’s polio vaccines were made by cultivating three strains of the virus separately in monkey tissue. The virus was then separated from the tissue, stored for a week, and killed with formaldehyde. What Bible believing Christian would put that into there body?! It’s sorcery. Look at the havoc wreaked on millions because of the foolish of man not understanding that we do NOT come from monkeys, and that monkeys carried toxins in their kidneys that didn’t impact them but DID impact humans, so they had to shut down that vaccine. My Bible tells me that “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.” No thanks Mr Salk- I trust the Lord Jesus, not witchcraft from a physician of no value.)
If one were to present to me a very weak precept: “Well, God gave us medicines to keep us healthy!” and didn’t examine the Scriptures, I’d decline the discussion for they are not capable of having a Biblically informed position. If David Cloud had, at the very least looked into the approved Pfzr shot, he’d learn that it was developed from cells that were cloned from a 1973 abortion that took place in the Netherlands. So, if he’s going to address a concern, can we at least start from there?
But even more so, does he think that the intent of the Lord Jesus Christ was to have lost man develop witchcraft potions to protect his sheep when the HIMSELF promises me that he will protect me … and I take him at his word(s)?
Cloud uses a very broad statement about evangelism being the most important “job” as a Christian, and completely bypasses specifics of Scripture. That’s what the world does. It would seem that Mr Cloud seeks justification, so he’s “teaching” a very broad way that he may continue in his own enterprises, his world travel, his lifestyle and all its trapping$ .. would he not consider Paul’s declaration: “Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.” Or could he also consider “but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.” Mr Cloud, what if I had studied the words of my Bible and was fully persuaded in my own mind about declining the shots, would you accept that?
Unreal. David Cloud is in for a shock when he stands before the Lord Jesus Christ!
Great article, brother Jacob!
Agreed.
Isa 56:10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
Isa 56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
Isa 56:12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.
Great verses.